Comments on: Some of the “Best” B-Schools Don’t Disclose Student Grades (Because the STUDENTS Demand It) http://www.bizzyblog.com/2005/09/20/inmates-run-the-asylum-at-some-of-the-best-graduate-business-schools/ The Business End of the Blogosphere Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:32:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: TBlumer http://www.bizzyblog.com/2005/09/20/inmates-run-the-asylum-at-some-of-the-best-graduate-business-schools/#comment-1578 TBlumer Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:24:54 +0000 http://www.bizzyblog.com/?p=527#comment-1578 ignoring salary for a minute--If I am going to hire you, I want to know how you peformed in school. Irony/hypocrisy: many of these schools admit students based on their undergraduate grades and/or their performance on grad-school equivalnets of the SATs, then turn around and allow students to go hush-hush on performance after that when dealing with potential employers. Grades are the be-all end-all but they're a great start. A 3.1 in grad school, absent personal issues, is hardly ever as smart or hard-working or both as someone pulling a 3.9. The article notes that employers have to do alternative testing to get an idea of how smart these people are, which is wasterul (and rude). As to salaries, grades (how I did in school) aren't the same as salary (what I get paid). For parallel treatment, not disclosing salaries to each other would be the same as not discussing grades amongst each other, which I suppose might be a livable policy. But when you start dealing with a new party who is either trying to hire you out of school or out of where you are working, it is reasonable for them to ask for your grades or what you're making. If you refuse to tell them, you're taking your chances. But once you get inside a company, a salary non-disclosure policy among employees would IMO not be inconsistent with requiring prospective employees to reveal their grades or salaries. ignoring salary for a minute–If I am going to hire you, I want to know how you peformed in school. Irony/hypocrisy: many of these schools admit students based on their undergraduate grades and/or their performance on grad-school equivalnets of the SATs, then turn around and allow students to go hush-hush on performance after that when dealing with potential employers.

Grades are the be-all end-all but they’re a great start. A 3.1 in grad school, absent personal issues, is hardly ever as smart or hard-working or both as someone pulling a 3.9. The article notes that employers have to do alternative testing to get an idea of how smart these people are, which is wasterul (and rude).

As to salaries, grades (how I did in school) aren’t the same as salary (what I get paid). For parallel treatment, not disclosing salaries to each other would be the same as not discussing grades amongst each other, which I suppose might be a livable policy. But when you start dealing with a new party who is either trying to hire you out of school or out of where you are working, it is reasonable for them to ask for your grades or what you’re making. If you refuse to tell them, you’re taking your chances.

But once you get inside a company, a salary non-disclosure policy among employees would IMO not be inconsistent with requiring prospective employees to reveal their grades or salaries.

]]> By: Tracy http://www.bizzyblog.com/2005/09/20/inmates-run-the-asylum-at-some-of-the-best-graduate-business-schools/#comment-1577 Tracy Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:04:23 +0000 http://www.bizzyblog.com/?p=527#comment-1577 How is the grade non-disclosure issue different from the salary non-disclosure issue? How many companies have rules against disclosing salaries or pay rates? I recognize many companies demand salary information prior to even interviewing, but I generally get tossed out of interviews when I ask if the company discloses pay rates among employees... In the only and only position I had where I had control of the issue, I disclosed pay rates...it required that I be prepared to justify my decisions on pay but a funny thing happened, almost everyone was happy that some people got more and some people got less for the same work....they knew (also) who worked and who was a drag on productivity. Company recruiters that demand grade disclosure should be ready to state their company disclose pay rates to all employees. How is the grade non-disclosure issue different from the salary non-disclosure issue? How many companies have rules against disclosing salaries or pay rates? I recognize many companies demand salary information prior to even interviewing, but I generally get tossed out of interviews when I ask if the company discloses pay rates among employees…

In the only and only position I had where I had control of the issue, I disclosed pay rates…it required that I be prepared to justify my decisions on pay but a funny thing happened, almost everyone was happy that some people got more and some people got less for the same work….they knew (also) who worked and who was a drag on productivity.

Company recruiters that demand grade disclosure should be ready to state their company disclose pay rates to all employees.

]]> By: Steven J. Kelso Sr. http://www.bizzyblog.com/2005/09/20/inmates-run-the-asylum-at-some-of-the-best-graduate-business-schools/#comment-1564 Steven J. Kelso Sr. Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:22:28 +0000 http://www.bizzyblog.com/?p=527#comment-1564 As if schools weren't bad enough. No competition? Can we please call them socialists now? As if schools weren’t bad enough. No competition? Can we please call them socialists now?

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