November 18, 2005

S.O.B. Alliance Member NixGuy: “Jean Schmidt Making the Right People Angry”

Filed under: OH-02 US House,Taxes & Government — Tom @ 9:38 pm

I’ll say.

Video Here at Political Teen–It’s one for the hard drive.

Story here.

Section from story to save for posterity:

House Republicans maneuvered for swift rejection Friday of any notion of immediately pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq, sparking a nasty, sometimes personal debate over the war following a Democratic lawmaker’s own call for withdrawal.

….. At one point in the emotional debate, Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, told of a phone call she received from a Marine colonel.

“He asked me to send Congress a message – stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message – that cowards cut and run, Marines never do,” Schmidt said.

You go girl.

UPDATE: Made 4 the Internet“I did not support Jean Schmidt for the 2nd Congressional District house seat and I now publicly admit that I was wrong. She is providing STRONG conservative leadership for the wonderful people of southern Ohio. I made a mistake Rep. Schmidt and I apologize.” He also has part of a strong speech by Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida.

UPDATE 2: Lifelike Pundits–Jean Schmidt: Ball Buster?

UPDATE 3: How to tell when a Republican makes an effective or memorable statement–The AP scrubs it from its later reports. Too bad, AP, we have the vid.

UPDATE 4: The vote was 403-3 against immediate withdrawal:

The House on Friday overwhelmingly rejected calls for an immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq, a vote engineered by the Republicans that was intended to fail. Democrats derided the vote as a political stunt.

“Our troops have become the enemy. We need to change direction in Iraq,” said Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, a Democratic hawk whose call a day earlier for pulling out troops sparked a nasty, personal debate over the war.

The House voted 403-3 to reject a nonbinding resolution calling for an immediate troop withdrawal.

“We want to make sure that we support our troops that are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. We will not retreat,” Speaker Dennis Hastert, R- Ill., said as the GOP leadership pushed the issue to a vote over the protest of Democrats.

It was the second time in less than a week that President Bush’s Iraq policy stirred heated debate in Congress. On Tuesday, the Senate defeated a Democratic push for Bush to lay out a timetable for withdrawal.

Murtha, a 73-year-old Marine veteran decorated for combat service in Vietnam, issued his call for a troop withdrawal at a news conference on Thursday. In little more than 24 hours, Hastert and Republicans decided to put the question to the House.

Democrats said it was a political stunt and quickly decided to vote against it in an attempt to drain it of significance.

Nice try, Dems–no sale. You’re on the record now as being against immediate troop withdrawal. Y’all know, phony-baloney polls notwithstanding, that the country is behind finishing the job professionally and leaving a representative government that can defend itself behind. You knew that a vote for the resolution would be a call-out to any and all primary and general election challengers who know where the country really stands on this. A lot more than three of you really believe that we should immediately withdraw, but you wouldn’t vote that way. Those of you who wouldn’t vote your beliefs are exactly what Jean Schmidt referred to. You cut and ran ….. over a vote.

Oh, and another thing: Have fun telling your MoveOn base during the next year that you really didn’t mean it. (“I was against immediate withdrawal before I was for it.”)

UPDATE 5: Another excellent sign–Andrew Sullivan is in full freak-out mode (he calls her “Jean Smith”).

UPDATE 6: Kevin at Wizbang“House Republicans should introduce a version of the Murtha plan every week until the 2006 elections.”

UPDATE 7: More–PoliPundit (“Will you marry me, Jean?”; sorry, Poli, she’s taken), Powerline, EU Rota, Ace, Junkyard Blog (“Who are the Democrats booing?”), Hewitt, The Captain (“So much for no-confidence votes”), Atlas Shrugs, My VRWC (IDs the 3–McKinney, Wexler, Serrano), OpiniPundit (“Democrats: No Conviction, No Courage”), PowerPundit, Sister Toldjah (“The media is outright lying [about Schmidt's comments]“).

UPDATE 8: The roll call–includes 6 who voted Present. Of those six, special cop-out awards go to Nadler (represents the district where the World Trade Center towers were), McDermott (Baghdad Jim, whose pre-war publicity-stunt trip to Iraq was designed to try to stop it; now he won’t vote to get out), and Hinchey (this was his chance to stand up to the Rove Conspiracy, and he wimped out).

UPDATE 9: NY Times indulges in fantasy–The Democrats are humiliated, and their story is “Session Exposes Political Risks Ahead for G.O.P.” Uh-huh.

UPDATE 10: Rhymes with Right gets it right: “Democrats Silence Marine’s Voice” (i.e., the Marine who spoke with Jean Schmidt). Bingo.



  1. Ms. Schmidt isn’t a strong conservative at all, although I am sure that she will win the respect of some based on, well, her ability to lash out…even if it is misplaced. Her implication that Congressman Murtha is a coward is really just a cheap shot at a man who has fought for and served his country well for over 4 decades. Ms. Schmidt could better serve the people she represents if she dignifies people that don’t necessarily share her views and allows a bit of public discourse to occur.

    Comment by Jeff — November 18, 2005 @ 11:30 pm

  2. The untold story about Jean Schmidt’s tirade is that the Marine Colonel whom she quote has never served a day overseas or ever in harm’s way, but he also fools everybody to think that he led the charge into Baghdad. Somebody should be looking into the background of this Colonel and determine why (and how he managed) to never served in the First Gulf War.

    Comment by Ohio_Veritas — November 18, 2005 @ 11:36 pm

  3. #1, I honor Murtha’s service, but that’s not a lifetime pass, and he seems to have lost the up button on the elevator to his brain. One example: He was one of two congressmen to vote FOR reinstituting the draft back in October. Also, he’s changed his mind more than his underwear (but not by much) about this war.

    #2, I just rewatched. She never characterized the man as an overseas vet, so the truth or falsity of your claim is irrelevant.

    Comment by TBlumer — November 18, 2005 @ 11:42 pm

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  5. #4, a little testy, I see. Now we call women chickenhawks?

    Comment by TBlumer — November 19, 2005 @ 12:57 am

  6. TBlumer -

    The issue is one should be careful of calling another a coward and not a Marine, especially if that exact same appellation may be applicable to that person doing the calling in the first place.

    Comment by Ohio_Veritas — November 19, 2005 @ 1:54 am

  7. #6, the vote was the determinant. 403-3. 403 either aren’t cowards, or don’t want to be seen as such.

    Comment by TBlumer — November 19, 2005 @ 2:13 am

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  9. Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is

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  10. 403 people voted against a Republican’s resolution to immediately pull out of Iraq. They haven’t voted on Murtha’s proposal to remove troops at “the earliest predictable date.”

    Oh, and as for your hero, Jean Schmidt…

    Mr. Speaker, my remarks were not directed at any member of the House and I did not intend to suggest that they applied to any member, most especially the distinguished gentleman from Pennsylvania. I therefore ask for unanimous consent that my words be withdrawn“.

    …she cut and ran from her own statement.

    Comment by Kevin Irwin — November 19, 2005 @ 1:05 pm

  11. Tom,

    You mentioned Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida. She was guest blogging yesterday at

    Comment by LargeBill — November 19, 2005 @ 1:25 pm

  12. #10, BFD. I see it as the equivalent of a trial lawyer asking a pointed question in court that gets objected to, and then has to be withdrawn. The point has been made. Then the jury is told to disregard the question that was just asked. Yeah, right.

    Whether she had to withdraw her comment is debatable, as her called named the Congressman, not her. It wasn’t worth bickering over. When you’ve made your point, who cares?

    Comment by TBlumer — November 19, 2005 @ 1:52 pm

  13. You must respect irony, though. Schmidt is now being heralded as a champion for the pro-war, anti-”cut and run” crowd, yet she “cuts and runs” immediately after her statement.

    Comment by Kevin Irwin — November 19, 2005 @ 1:57 pm

  14. #13, when a lawyer has a withdraw a question that made his/her point, he/she doesn’t care about the irony… he/she made the point. I see her as forced by House Rules to withdraw her point–very different.

    Comment by TBlumer — November 19, 2005 @ 2:03 pm

  15. Like I told Eric at Project Logic…

    So she was for calling Murtha out by name before she was against it?

    Score one for nuance!

    Comment by Kevin Irwin — November 19, 2005 @ 2:22 pm

  16. Aw, geez, we’ve beaten this horse silly.

    Some large percentage of about 200 Democrats now has to say “I voted against immediate withdrawal even though I’m really for it” to placate what must be an incredibly PO’d MoveOn moonbat base. There’s a word for someone who won’t vote their convictions….

    Comment by TBlumer — November 19, 2005 @ 2:33 pm

  17. The MoveOn moonbat base (for the most part) recognizes that world is not binary.

    Comment by Kevin Irwin — November 19, 2005 @ 2:39 pm

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  19. #18, the boo-hoo brigade is indeed in fine form.

    Comment by TBlumer — November 19, 2005 @ 5:24 pm

  20. Note to KarennKC: I’m not going to post your comments. One’s too long and not directly pertinent to cut-run NOW vs. stay-course NOW; the other is off-topic (I’ve blogged on pork often here).

    If you want me to send you the text of your posts so you don’t lose, them, let me know. I’m assuming the e-mail addy you used is not valid.

    Comment by TBlumer — November 20, 2005 @ 2:01 am

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