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	<title>Comments on: The Dubai Deal: Confessions of a Knee-Jerk Reactor (with a Few &#8220;Good&#8221; Excuses)</title>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2006/02/26/confession-of-a-knee-jerk-reactor-with-plenty-of-good-excuses/#comment-5587</link>
		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11, we mostly agree. The tribal calculus kick in when the behavior problems become evident. The behavior problems largely occurred with African-Americans because, in the name of so-called compassion, we created culture of dependency that led to all sorts of negative behaviors. With immigrants, again in the name of misguided compassion (and more than a little greed), we have allowed people in whose first act on arrival is to break the law, and then let them participate in the same dependency culture.

I maintain that there is plenty of good will available for people who work to rise out of their cirumstances, or who wnat to come here from another country and play by our rules. The goodwill well runs dry, and the tribalism has the potential to kick in, when neither is present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11, we mostly agree. The tribal calculus kick in when the behavior problems become evident. The behavior problems largely occurred with African-Americans because, in the name of so-called compassion, we created culture of dependency that led to all sorts of negative behaviors. With immigrants, again in the name of misguided compassion (and more than a little greed), we have allowed people in whose first act on arrival is to break the law, and then let them participate in the same dependency culture.</p>
<p>I maintain that there is plenty of good will available for people who work to rise out of their cirumstances, or who wnat to come here from another country and play by our rules. The goodwill well runs dry, and the tribalism has the potential to kick in, when neither is present.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the premise of your argument is that it is illegals' behavior which is the cause of the backlash, I would say in a way I agree. I would elaborate further to say that the idea of a color-blind society in America is a myth, just like equal treatment under the law and "they hate us for our freedom".  And, it will remain a myth so long as race correlates to behavior (culture), which it does and has for all of civilized history. Add a shift in political power to the mix, and you get not only white flight, but panic, hysteria and outrage.  The raw anti-immigrant emotions pollsters are tracking come not from analytical thought, but from a deeper tribal calculus. 

Of course, this calculus contains powerful logic when it surmises that if you import 15 million Mexicans on top of an already exploding presence, you will replicate a version of Mexico. People see the anarchy and corruption of Juarez, for example, and shudder at the thought.  Indeed, Europeans are now paying a heavy price for importing cheap labor (as we now do) in the form of millions of Arab Muslims, and it is not a very pretty picture.  Some would say Europe is already lost.

As far as white flight is concerned, parents love their kids, which is why they seek to protect them from group behavior which is dangerous and unhealthy.  The race and ethnic correlations are unpleasant but inescapable, the decisions based upon them completely rational. It is up to you to decide what you will call parents whose love of family trumps their fear of political incorrectness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the premise of your argument is that it is illegals&#8217; behavior which is the cause of the backlash, I would say in a way I agree. I would elaborate further to say that the idea of a color-blind society in America is a myth, just like equal treatment under the law and &#8220;they hate us for our freedom&#8221;.  And, it will remain a myth so long as race correlates to behavior (culture), which it does and has for all of civilized history. Add a shift in political power to the mix, and you get not only white flight, but panic, hysteria and outrage.  The raw anti-immigrant emotions pollsters are tracking come not from analytical thought, but from a deeper tribal calculus. </p>
<p>Of course, this calculus contains powerful logic when it surmises that if you import 15 million Mexicans on top of an already exploding presence, you will replicate a version of Mexico. People see the anarchy and corruption of Juarez, for example, and shudder at the thought.  Indeed, Europeans are now paying a heavy price for importing cheap labor (as we now do) in the form of millions of Arab Muslims, and it is not a very pretty picture.  Some would say Europe is already lost.</p>
<p>As far as white flight is concerned, parents love their kids, which is why they seek to protect them from group behavior which is dangerous and unhealthy.  The race and ethnic correlations are unpleasant but inescapable, the decisions based upon them completely rational. It is up to you to decide what you will call parents whose love of family trumps their fear of political incorrectness.</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9, I was speaking only for myself.

White flight (and middle-class black flight, and middle-class any-ethnic flight) happens because of crime, bad schools, and high taxes. If those conditions don't accompany immigration of other ethnic groups or races, white flight for the most post does not occur. The act of picking up and moving is a relatively traumatic event people ordinarily avoid. They would rather stay put unless conditions dictate (actually, shout) otherwise.

The continued allowance of illegals among us, and their ability to drain the system through welfare, school attendance, free health care, and the like, feeds any "under the surface" racist tendencies that may exist because the disparate treatment of illegals and the continued allowance of their presence is objectively an outrage.

And it's remarkable that you are on the edge of labeling anyone who moves in response to decaying conditions a racist. For one, parents have their kids' future to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9, I was speaking only for myself.</p>
<p>White flight (and middle-class black flight, and middle-class any-ethnic flight) happens because of crime, bad schools, and high taxes. If those conditions don&#8217;t accompany immigration of other ethnic groups or races, white flight for the most post does not occur. The act of picking up and moving is a relatively traumatic event people ordinarily avoid. They would rather stay put unless conditions dictate (actually, shout) otherwise.</p>
<p>The continued allowance of illegals among us, and their ability to drain the system through welfare, school attendance, free health care, and the like, feeds any &#8220;under the surface&#8221; racist tendencies that may exist because the disparate treatment of illegals and the continued allowance of their presence is objectively an outrage.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s remarkable that you are on the edge of labeling anyone who moves in response to decaying conditions a racist. For one, parents have their kids&#8217; future to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8, dispute? really?  Don't be naive!  Racism is just under the surface, whether it be Somalis in Maine, Mexicans in Georgia, or Hmong in Minnesota.  It travels under another name, but it's there, too uncomfortable a cloth to be worn openly.  Ever heard of "white flight"?  It's happening not only here but in many countries, such as Sweden and Holland.  Here, a soft balkanization is already underway, which can be seen in many U.S. cities.  This trend will continue.  However, my point is not racial prejudice per se, it is the perceived political threat unchecked immigration poses to white middle America.  That is, to accelerate white disempowerment, which most people understand is a dangerous and unstable scenario.   I don't need to cite existing examples of this, do I?  The barely hidden fear is that when white America no longer calls the shots, it won't be very long before they are shot at? (speaking figuratively)  Strong tobacco I know, but that's what blogs are for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8, dispute? really?  Don&#8217;t be naive!  Racism is just under the surface, whether it be Somalis in Maine, Mexicans in Georgia, or Hmong in Minnesota.  It travels under another name, but it&#8217;s there, too uncomfortable a cloth to be worn openly.  Ever heard of &#8220;white flight&#8221;?  It&#8217;s happening not only here but in many countries, such as Sweden and Holland.  Here, a soft balkanization is already underway, which can be seen in many U.S. cities.  This trend will continue.  However, my point is not racial prejudice per se, it is the perceived political threat unchecked immigration poses to white middle America.  That is, to accelerate white disempowerment, which most people understand is a dangerous and unstable scenario.   I don&#8217;t need to cite existing examples of this, do I?  The barely hidden fear is that when white America no longer calls the shots, it won&#8217;t be very long before they are shot at? (speaking figuratively)  Strong tobacco I know, but that&#8217;s what blogs are for.</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7, I agree that immigration is the core issue, but I dispute the non-white part. Anyone willing to jump through the hoops and buy into the values is welcome IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7, I agree that immigration is the core issue, but I dispute the non-white part. Anyone willing to jump through the hoops and buy into the values is welcome IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree #6 but much bigger than than a short term "mess up".  In my view the Dubai debacle is nothing more than a proxy for immigration. Congress (read Representatives) already feels the anger, outrage and raw fear over unchecked non-white immigration. (Don't kid yourself, the "war on terror" security argument is just a fig leaf) That's why they abandoned the President on this issue, in part to cover their collective political behinds, but also to send a wake-up shot across the bow.

Immigration is THE issue that will destroy the Republican Party. Everyone knows it. Frist is one of many who are scrambling to escape the deluge. This is a gut level race issue that is pure political nitro. The Dubai failure was just the appetizer. The main course comes in the Fall, when elected Republicans will feel the true wrath of the people. Low turnouts and protest votes will reverse the Republican majority. MSM will claim it was dissatisfaction with Iraq, but it will be actually be immigration and specifically amnesty.

Most Americans already feel the slow descent, now accelerating, into Imperial decline. They see what so-called "multiculturalism" has done to Western Europe, they see the slow steady hollowing out of our industrial base, they watch in shock at the relentless debasement and ridicule of long held and esteemed moral standards.

Having observed this process, I am very pessimistic about its ultimate result. America stopped being a true representative democracy many years ago. The people who actually control the country answer to no one, save their own craven interests. In a country, where power is bought and sold, where political debate is reduced to sound-bites and code words, and in particular, where patriots are labeled "vigilantes", the destiny of our beloved nation is tragically the same as all the great Empires that preceeded it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree #6 but much bigger than than a short term &#8220;mess up&#8221;.  In my view the Dubai debacle is nothing more than a proxy for immigration. Congress (read Representatives) already feels the anger, outrage and raw fear over unchecked non-white immigration. (Don&#8217;t kid yourself, the &#8220;war on terror&#8221; security argument is just a fig leaf) That&#8217;s why they abandoned the President on this issue, in part to cover their collective political behinds, but also to send a wake-up shot across the bow.</p>
<p>Immigration is THE issue that will destroy the Republican Party. Everyone knows it. Frist is one of many who are scrambling to escape the deluge. This is a gut level race issue that is pure political nitro. The Dubai failure was just the appetizer. The main course comes in the Fall, when elected Republicans will feel the true wrath of the people. Low turnouts and protest votes will reverse the Republican majority. MSM will claim it was dissatisfaction with Iraq, but it will be actually be immigration and specifically amnesty.</p>
<p>Most Americans already feel the slow descent, now accelerating, into Imperial decline. They see what so-called &#8220;multiculturalism&#8221; has done to Western Europe, they see the slow steady hollowing out of our industrial base, they watch in shock at the relentless debasement and ridicule of long held and esteemed moral standards.</p>
<p>Having observed this process, I am very pessimistic about its ultimate result. America stopped being a true representative democracy many years ago. The people who actually control the country answer to no one, save their own craven interests. In a country, where power is bought and sold, where political debate is reduced to sound-bites and code words, and in particular, where patriots are labeled &#8220;vigilantes&#8221;, the destiny of our beloved nation is tragically the same as all the great Empires that preceeded it.</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5, he's messed up badly on the four items I noted above, and IMO that messup finally came back to bite him in a big way. In a way, it's amazing that it took this long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5, he&#8217;s messed up badly on the four items I noted above, and IMO that messup finally came back to bite him in a big way. In a way, it&#8217;s amazing that it took this long.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the tipping point - Bush has now lost enough of his base to lose Congress.  He stepped onto the precipice when he labled patriots "vigilantes", and now he has jumped with a small symbolic decision over port management.  Watching Bush slowly destroy the Republican Party is like watching a car wreck in slow motion.  You know it can't be stopped and you can't help staring in disbelief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the tipping point - Bush has now lost enough of his base to lose Congress.  He stepped onto the precipice when he labled patriots &#8220;vigilantes&#8221;, and now he has jumped with a small symbolic decision over port management.  Watching Bush slowly destroy the Republican Party is like watching a car wreck in slow motion.  You know it can&#8217;t be stopped and you can&#8217;t help staring in disbelief.</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3, The conditioning point is well-taken, and is tough to overcome, but it lasts for maybe 10 seconds before the digging commences, which I acknowledge I didn't do enough of initially.

My fear isn't "Islamophobia," with the connotations of religious bigotry, it's Al-Qaeadaphobia, which is not only a healthy thing to possess in a reasonable amount, but also is a fear of terrorism based upon events and the power structure in the UAE/Arab world, not a fear of a religion per se.

I resent the Kudlow-WSJ types pinning the bigot/irrational fear label on me when that was NOT what it was about.

I still have a fundamental problem with a non-US company being anywhere near the ports, but that battle was over at least a decade ago.

It would be interesting to see how many other countries allow US companies to "manage the loading and unloading of shipping containers" at their port facilities. Betcha it's very, very few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3, The conditioning point is well-taken, and is tough to overcome, but it lasts for maybe 10 seconds before the digging commences, which I acknowledge I didn&#8217;t do enough of initially.</p>
<p>My fear isn&#8217;t &#8220;Islamophobia,&#8221; with the connotations of religious bigotry, it&#8217;s Al-Qaeadaphobia, which is not only a healthy thing to possess in a reasonable amount, but also is a fear of terrorism based upon events and the power structure in the UAE/Arab world, not a fear of a religion per se.</p>
<p>I resent the Kudlow-WSJ types pinning the bigot/irrational fear label on me when that was NOT what it was about.</p>
<p>I still have a fundamental problem with a non-US company being anywhere near the ports, but that battle was over at least a decade ago.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to see how many other countries allow US companies to &#8220;manage the loading and unloading of shipping containers&#8221; at their port facilities. Betcha it&#8217;s very, very few.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

You know I am truly a friend, but would any of the "knee-jerk" reaction occurred if a German company had sought the contract?  Or better yet, India?  I think the answer is no...there might have been a concern about a foreign company running things, but we already have Singapore and China in our ports and a British company has been running them.

My very first reaction was "Arab company, our ports?"  I read, did a little digging and posted on Tuesday in support of the contract going to Dubai.  Whenever I react to a situation, I always try to find out why I did and in this case, the last couple of years has conditioned me to think badly about Arabs, Moslems in particular.  And while I dislike my reaction, little has occurred to suggest that I will be able to do anything to change it...except to try real hard not to have a "knee-jerk" reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>You know I am truly a friend, but would any of the &#8220;knee-jerk&#8221; reaction occurred if a German company had sought the contract?  Or better yet, India?  I think the answer is no&#8230;there might have been a concern about a foreign company running things, but we already have Singapore and China in our ports and a British company has been running them.</p>
<p>My very first reaction was &#8220;Arab company, our ports?&#8221;  I read, did a little digging and posted on Tuesday in support of the contract going to Dubai.  Whenever I react to a situation, I always try to find out why I did and in this case, the last couple of years has conditioned me to think badly about Arabs, Moslems in particular.  And while I dislike my reaction, little has occurred to suggest that I will be able to do anything to change it&#8230;except to try real hard not to have a &#8220;knee-jerk&#8221; reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1, Thanks, but I'm not sure I'd go THAT far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1, Thanks, but I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d go THAT far.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

We are glad to have you back among the rational..... :-)</description>
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<p>We are glad to have you back among the rational&#8230;.. :-)</p>
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