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	<title>Comments on: Illegal Immigration Hits Home in Warren County</title>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2006/09/18/illegal-immigration-hits-home-in-warren-county/#comment-31490</link>
		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2, meant to comment earlier. All good points. The Feds' failure with rare exception to do their job is an ongoing outrage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2, meant to comment earlier. All good points. The Feds&#8217; failure with rare exception to do their job is an ongoing outrage.</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2006/09/18/illegal-immigration-hits-home-in-warren-county/#comment-31489</link>
		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3, I mostly disagree. First, we have to keep more illegals from coming in. Concurrently we have to punish employers who either knowingly hire them or look the other way when they see suspect docmentation. Some who cannot find work will leave.

As to the drugs Mota, not Torres (who is still at large), had in his possession: People are woefully ignorant of the Mexican MS-13 gang influence that is spreading across the US. Given the violence of the attack on Kevin Barnhill, I would rate the likelihood that Mota and Torres are gang members as being very high.

The group that came back to kill the home site supervisor in Warren County a couple of months ago was mostly if entirely gang members (I have been told that by law enforcement, based on the tattoos observed). For some reason, that is not newsworthy, nor is the fact that the one guy (*Max*) who was arrested was able to get out on bond, and has now disappeared.

The kind of education that will solve the gang problem is education of everyone as to the dangers of allowing MS-13 to run wild as it is now. Law enforcement, prosecution, and deportation will. I would be open to the idea of offering non-criminal illegals who are here some kind of path to citizenship (assuming that the ONLY crime they have committed is being here illegally in the first place), but not the piece of garbage the Senate passed a few months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3, I mostly disagree. First, we have to keep more illegals from coming in. Concurrently we have to punish employers who either knowingly hire them or look the other way when they see suspect docmentation. Some who cannot find work will leave.</p>
<p>As to the drugs Mota, not Torres (who is still at large), had in his possession: People are woefully ignorant of the Mexican MS-13 gang influence that is spreading across the US. Given the violence of the attack on Kevin Barnhill, I would rate the likelihood that Mota and Torres are gang members as being very high.</p>
<p>The group that came back to kill the home site supervisor in Warren County a couple of months ago was mostly if entirely gang members (I have been told that by law enforcement, based on the tattoos observed). For some reason, that is not newsworthy, nor is the fact that the one guy (*Max*) who was arrested was able to get out on bond, and has now disappeared.</p>
<p>The kind of education that will solve the gang problem is education of everyone as to the dangers of allowing MS-13 to run wild as it is now. Law enforcement, prosecution, and deportation will. I would be open to the idea of offering non-criminal illegals who are here some kind of path to citizenship (assuming that the ONLY crime they have committed is being here illegally in the first place), but not the piece of garbage the Senate passed a few months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: trytoseepastyourself</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem in general is not with illegal aliens themselves, but with ignorance. Ignorance of those who make the laws, carry out the laws and the general public.  The efforts being made here should be educational in form. Teaching people how to properly check for documentation on workers and tenants and then cracking down on those employers and tenants who do not follow the laws.

There is a bigger picture here then just trying to keep illegals out of the USA. Illegal aliens will not just go away. It has been said over and over that education is the key to change. You cannot go into a battle with limited views and education. We will not be able to deport every last illegal alien, but we can turn ignorance around.

I also wanted to note that the author of the above article mentioned drugs found on the suspect and criminalized him for the drugs, stating that " Given the drugs Mr. Torres had in his possession, you wouldn't want to be against me that Mr. Torres is no longer in this country". Hmmm, I wonder where he got the drugs? We really shouldn't turn a blind eye to those closest to us. Before we start pointing fingers, maybe we should first clean ourselves up and learn more about those people who stand right next to us.

I also want to note that the death of Kevin Barnhill has surely filled many with the greatest of sadness. The loss of a child, a brother, a friend leaves an unexplainable emptiness in ones heart. I hope that his loss will bring great things and not more devastation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem in general is not with illegal aliens themselves, but with ignorance. Ignorance of those who make the laws, carry out the laws and the general public.  The efforts being made here should be educational in form. Teaching people how to properly check for documentation on workers and tenants and then cracking down on those employers and tenants who do not follow the laws.</p>
<p>There is a bigger picture here then just trying to keep illegals out of the USA. Illegal aliens will not just go away. It has been said over and over that education is the key to change. You cannot go into a battle with limited views and education. We will not be able to deport every last illegal alien, but we can turn ignorance around.</p>
<p>I also wanted to note that the author of the above article mentioned drugs found on the suspect and criminalized him for the drugs, stating that &#8221; Given the drugs Mr. Torres had in his possession, you wouldn&#8217;t want to be against me that Mr. Torres is no longer in this country&#8221;. Hmmm, I wonder where he got the drugs? We really shouldn&#8217;t turn a blind eye to those closest to us. Before we start pointing fingers, maybe we should first clean ourselves up and learn more about those people who stand right next to us.</p>
<p>I also want to note that the death of Kevin Barnhill has surely filled many with the greatest of sadness. The loss of a child, a brother, a friend leaves an unexplainable emptiness in ones heart. I hope that his loss will bring great things and not more devastation.</p>
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		<title>By: codekeyguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>codekeyguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A MAJOR problem is the Feds themselves.  When local officials want to detain/deport illegals who they find ( via traffic stops, or in this case arrests) the FEDS tell them "...it's not your job.." but then the FEDS DON'T DO THE JOB EITHER. You would think we are all on the same page, but when they call teh Minutemen "vigilantes" you realize it is nothing more than a "Turf War".  The feds say " I won't do it , but don't you DARE try to do it yourself."  Then there are the boneheadeed judges, but I better quit now.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A MAJOR problem is the Feds themselves.  When local officials want to detain/deport illegals who they find ( via traffic stops, or in this case arrests) the FEDS tell them &#8220;&#8230;it&#8217;s not your job..&#8221; but then the FEDS DON&#8217;T DO THE JOB EITHER. You would think we are all on the same page, but when they call teh Minutemen &#8220;vigilantes&#8221; you realize it is nothing more than a &#8220;Turf War&#8221;.  The feds say &#8221; I won&#8217;t do it , but don&#8217;t you DARE try to do it yourself.&#8221;  Then there are the boneheadeed judges, but I better quit now&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Culture</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2006/09/18/illegal-immigration-hits-home-in-warren-county/#comment-30932</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Culture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine line indeed. If it comes to being either mentally insane or just plain stupid on the ACLU's part... that might be a fine line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine line indeed. If it comes to being either mentally insane or just plain stupid on the ACLU&#8217;s part&#8230; that might be a fine line.</p>
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