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	<title>Comments on: Catch of the Day, &#8216;What a Tangled Web&#8217; Dept. &#8212; Pelosi Wanted More Troops in Iraq in 2004</title>
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		<title>By: Lisa Renee</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/01/10/catch-of-the-day-glad-thats-settled-ha/comment-page-1/#comment-76153</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Palestine?  I&#039;m not a fan of the way Israel has handled things but I totally 100% agree that the other middle eastern nations have not done anything to assist Palestine at the level they could because it is in their best interest to be able to point to the situation between Palestine and Israel as a way to take the focus off of their own internal issues.  That&#039;s been a personal pet peeve of mine because many of these middle eastern nations do have the financial resources to help Palsestine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Palestine?  I&#8217;m not a fan of the way Israel has handled things but I totally 100% agree that the other middle eastern nations have not done anything to assist Palestine at the level they could because it is in their best interest to be able to point to the situation between Palestine and Israel as a way to take the focus off of their own internal issues.  That&#8217;s been a personal pet peeve of mine because many of these middle eastern nations do have the financial resources to help Palsestine.</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/01/10/catch-of-the-day-glad-thats-settled-ha/comment-page-1/#comment-75729</link>
		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3, Thx for your thoughts. I think your assessment is very accurate, though I have a bit more hope that the Iraq government and military can and will muddle through. If Iraq&#039;s economy improves enough, as it has been, it may turn out that participating in it looks more attractive than inflicting terror for some. What drives me nuts is that the people who want it to fail don&#039;t care about any of the consequences you ID&#039;d, and that they IMO control the reporting coming out of there. 

Somewhat related -- One of the reasons there&#039;s no econ development in Palestine, and no interest in it, is because those &quot;leaders&quot; realize that economic development would deter terror recruiting efforts. As long as the EU, US, and UN keep feeding that area money with no expectations or strings (and no accountability, which explains Arafat&#039;s widow&#039;s wealth), it won&#039;t change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3, Thx for your thoughts. I think your assessment is very accurate, though I have a bit more hope that the Iraq government and military can and will muddle through. If Iraq&#8217;s economy improves enough, as it has been, it may turn out that participating in it looks more attractive than inflicting terror for some. What drives me nuts is that the people who want it to fail don&#8217;t care about any of the consequences you ID&#8217;d, and that they IMO control the reporting coming out of there. </p>
<p>Somewhat related &#8212; One of the reasons there&#8217;s no econ development in Palestine, and no interest in it, is because those &#8220;leaders&#8221; realize that economic development would deter terror recruiting efforts. As long as the EU, US, and UN keep feeding that area money with no expectations or strings (and no accountability, which explains Arafat&#8217;s widow&#8217;s wealth), it won&#8217;t change.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Renee</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/01/10/catch-of-the-day-glad-thats-settled-ha/comment-page-1/#comment-75720</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I&#039;ve added you to mine as well. I understand those who do the whole &quot;going it alone&quot; argument and I agree with you that it&#039;s not accurate.  Just as it&#039;s not accurate to give the impression that the majority of the troops, funding, etc., is born by anyone other than America.  Before I focused more on local issues, I participated in national type discussion forums where the circular arguments over definitions would negate any real discussion.  That gets frustrating after awhile.   

I also realize my position on the war is probably not one shared by many on the left, that&#039;s okay too.  We should have sent more troops in quite some time ago but we didn&#039;t, so we are now at the point where something needs to be done or face the reality of what Iraq would become if we were to leave.  It&#039;s a difficult decision.  I&#039;d love to say bring the troops home now, but the next question that comes to mind is then what?  How many Iraqis would die if we left immediately?  What would happen to the middle east if Iraq basically becomes another Iran.  While I don&#039;t think it would become the terrorist nation that the President suggests since Islamic nations seem to have a pretty hard hand with dissenters, the Kurds who we already abandoned before would be in a horrible position as well as the Sunni which would create even more problems in the middle east as the nations with a Sunni majority are not going to sit by and allow that to happen, especially if the US leaves.  I hope the President is right and that these 21,500 troops can accomplish this but I don&#039;t have a lot of confidence in the Iraqi government or their military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I&#8217;ve added you to mine as well. I understand those who do the whole &#8220;going it alone&#8221; argument and I agree with you that it&#8217;s not accurate.  Just as it&#8217;s not accurate to give the impression that the majority of the troops, funding, etc., is born by anyone other than America.  Before I focused more on local issues, I participated in national type discussion forums where the circular arguments over definitions would negate any real discussion.  That gets frustrating after awhile.   </p>
<p>I also realize my position on the war is probably not one shared by many on the left, that&#8217;s okay too.  We should have sent more troops in quite some time ago but we didn&#8217;t, so we are now at the point where something needs to be done or face the reality of what Iraq would become if we were to leave.  It&#8217;s a difficult decision.  I&#8217;d love to say bring the troops home now, but the next question that comes to mind is then what?  How many Iraqis would die if we left immediately?  What would happen to the middle east if Iraq basically becomes another Iran.  While I don&#8217;t think it would become the terrorist nation that the President suggests since Islamic nations seem to have a pretty hard hand with dissenters, the Kurds who we already abandoned before would be in a horrible position as well as the Sunni which would create even more problems in the middle east as the nations with a Sunni majority are not going to sit by and allow that to happen, especially if the US leaves.  I hope the President is right and that these 21,500 troops can accomplish this but I don&#8217;t have a lot of confidence in the Iraqi government or their military.</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/01/10/catch-of-the-day-glad-thats-settled-ha/comment-page-1/#comment-75684</link>
		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 03:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1, I acknowledge that the coalition is US-dominated, but to hear the left tell it, we&#039;re &quot;going it alone,&quot; which we aren&#039;t. That&#039;s a much bigger &quot;exaggeration&quot; than mine.

I realize there&#039;s not universal agreement in either party, but I&#039;m surprised that Pelosi is among those who wanted more troops relatively early (though I think in truth it may have been posturing and something she&#039;s never really wanted, which is an annoying habit of hers and many others).

Glad you wrote, because I&#039;ve been meaning to blogroll you, and just did (in Other Localities/State Lists).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1, I acknowledge that the coalition is US-dominated, but to hear the left tell it, we&#8217;re &#8220;going it alone,&#8221; which we aren&#8217;t. That&#8217;s a much bigger &#8220;exaggeration&#8221; than mine.</p>
<p>I realize there&#8217;s not universal agreement in either party, but I&#8217;m surprised that Pelosi is among those who wanted more troops relatively early (though I think in truth it may have been posturing and something she&#8217;s never really wanted, which is an annoying habit of hers and many others).</p>
<p>Glad you wrote, because I&#8217;ve been meaning to blogroll you, and just did (in Other Localities/State Lists).</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Renee</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/01/10/catch-of-the-day-glad-thats-settled-ha/comment-page-1/#comment-75646</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many people were calling for more troops 2 years ago and it wasn&#039;t followed, hence helping to create the mess that is there right now.  For the record, I think it&#039;s going to take more than 21,500 troops to restore order to Baghdad unless a miracle happens and Iraqi troops perform better than before.

However, I disagree with the statement that this is an &quot;international coalition&quot; given it states:

To date, 21 nations have deployed more than 16,000 troops to the U.S. Central Commandâ€™s region of responsibility.

While that is of course 16,000 less Americans being sent, if you compare that to the numbers of American troops that have been sent to Iraq during the same time period, it make meet the dictionary definition of a &quot;coalition&quot; but in reality it was and is a &quot;super majority&quot; of Americans who face the majority of the risks, the deaths as well as the costs.  

I&#039;d also point out that there is not agreement within the Democratic Party on this issue, just as their is not agreement within the Republican Party on this issue.  Take &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16062351/site/newsweek&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; article as one example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people were calling for more troops 2 years ago and it wasn&#8217;t followed, hence helping to create the mess that is there right now.  For the record, I think it&#8217;s going to take more than 21,500 troops to restore order to Baghdad unless a miracle happens and Iraqi troops perform better than before.</p>
<p>However, I disagree with the statement that this is an &#8220;international coalition&#8221; given it states:</p>
<p>To date, 21 nations have deployed more than 16,000 troops to the U.S. Central Commandâ€™s region of responsibility.</p>
<p>While that is of course 16,000 less Americans being sent, if you compare that to the numbers of American troops that have been sent to Iraq during the same time period, it make meet the dictionary definition of a &#8220;coalition&#8221; but in reality it was and is a &#8220;super majority&#8221; of Americans who face the majority of the risks, the deaths as well as the costs.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also point out that there is not agreement within the Democratic Party on this issue, just as their is not agreement within the Republican Party on this issue.  Take <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16062351/site/newsweek" rel="nofollow">this</a> article as one example.</p>
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