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	<title>Comments on: Judicial and Media &#8216;Brinkman-ship&#8217; &#8212; And Looking Ahead</title>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/07/23/judicial-and-media-brinkman-ship-and-looking-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-116071</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7, that my dear is why you make the &quot;big bucks!&quot; &gt;;o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7, that my dear is why you make the &#8220;big bucks!&#8221; &gt;;o)</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/07/23/judicial-and-media-brinkman-ship-and-looking-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-116066</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Tom, I did vote for Sherrod. But what I consider a dealbreaker v. what you might consider a dealbreaker - well, that would be a whole nother coffee talk session.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Tom, I did vote for Sherrod. But what I consider a dealbreaker v. what you might consider a dealbreaker &#8211; well, that would be a whole nother coffee talk session.</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/07/23/judicial-and-media-brinkman-ship-and-looking-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-116065</link>
		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5, I agree that the bar is higher, which is why, for example, the Sherrod Brown Dealbreakers in 2006 like the 12 years of back taxes and the DV should have been relevant, but somehow weren&#039;t. But I&#039;ll bet you voted for him, no? I&#039;m suggesting the bar for Brinkman is where it should be, but the bar for others is three inches off the floor. But as you noted re Brinkman, we just have to wait.

#6 Bill, I thought you would go there with the signature as a unit thing. In my view, properly expressed, there is the signature and there is the data associated with it. Signatures are often DQ&#039;d because something in the data associated with it (i.e., address) is not correct. Brinkman is alleged upon advice of counsel to have changed the data associated with 1,000 signatures. Brinkman is denying even having done that. I think your expressing it as &quot;changed 1,000 signatures&quot; makes it look like forgery, which I believe no one has accused Brinkman of.

#7, here&#039;s a Q -- How tight are the judge and the Schnozz? Can you say &quot;ulterior motive&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5, I agree that the bar is higher, which is why, for example, the Sherrod Brown Dealbreakers in 2006 like the 12 years of back taxes and the DV should have been relevant, but somehow weren&#8217;t. But I&#8217;ll bet you voted for him, no? I&#8217;m suggesting the bar for Brinkman is where it should be, but the bar for others is three inches off the floor. But as you noted re Brinkman, we just have to wait.</p>
<p>#6 Bill, I thought you would go there with the signature as a unit thing. In my view, properly expressed, there is the signature and there is the data associated with it. Signatures are often DQ&#8217;d because something in the data associated with it (i.e., address) is not correct. Brinkman is alleged upon advice of counsel to have changed the data associated with 1,000 signatures. Brinkman is denying even having done that. I think your expressing it as &#8220;changed 1,000 signatures&#8221; makes it look like forgery, which I believe no one has accused Brinkman of.</p>
<p>#7, here&#8217;s a Q &#8212; How tight are the judge and the Schnozz? Can you say &#8220;ulterior motive&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4, I would never expect an attempt by one good old boy to go after another.  IMO, Deters decided that having Tommy Boy expose the ins/outs of his Columbus dealings to SW Ohio is worse and less manageable than finding a &quot;gray area&quot; in this case (but venting to his peers knowing they won&#039;t break &quot;code.&quot;  

While I disagree with Deters on that point, I do agree with you that we don&#039;t know the whole story.  I am guessing however, that [at least] one &quot;Paul (or Paulette) Harvey&quot; out there does and is now overtly or not, gleefully monitoring every political move Tommy Boy makes.  

It&#039;s going to be an interesting couple of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4, I would never expect an attempt by one good old boy to go after another.  IMO, Deters decided that having Tommy Boy expose the ins/outs of his Columbus dealings to SW Ohio is worse and less manageable than finding a &#8220;gray area&#8221; in this case (but venting to his peers knowing they won&#8217;t break &#8220;code.&#8221;  </p>
<p>While I disagree with Deters on that point, I do agree with you that we don&#8217;t know the whole story.  I am guessing however, that [at least] one &#8220;Paul (or Paulette) Harvey&#8221; out there does and is now overtly or not, gleefully monitoring every political move Tommy Boy makes.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to be an interesting couple of years.</p>
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		<title>By: bill sloat</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill sloat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom:

I&#039;m not so sure that Judge Ruehlman broke a judicial canon.  Judges appear to have quite a bit of latitude to speak freely from the bench about the matters that are before them.

A signature is the act of signing a document -- at least that is how I&#039;ve heard it described regarding election law issues.  For example, it includes a name and an address and a date.  A package, so to speak.  For example, it is improper, I believe for Joe Blow of Denver to sign as Joe Blow of Cincinnati.  That is a fraudulent signature -- because Joe Blow would have falsified his place of residence on the document&#039;s signature line. Another way of saying it: Joe Blow of Cincinnati is a non-existent person, so his signature is fake.  Other problems that can crop up with signatures (and I&#039;m not saying Brinkman did any of this) are bogus dates.  So you can find (A) fake names (B) fake addresses (C) fake dates.  Any of them can be interpreted --and seems to have been interpreted over the years -- as fake signatures, or non-legitimate signatures, because they are part of the act of signing.

I do admire your defense of Tom Brinkman, Jr.  I have known him for years, and while he and I do not share many of the same political viewpoints, I would never, ever characterize him as evil or purposefully corrupt.  He is opinionated, and tries to represent the people who vote for him and their point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure that Judge Ruehlman broke a judicial canon.  Judges appear to have quite a bit of latitude to speak freely from the bench about the matters that are before them.</p>
<p>A signature is the act of signing a document &#8212; at least that is how I&#8217;ve heard it described regarding election law issues.  For example, it includes a name and an address and a date.  A package, so to speak.  For example, it is improper, I believe for Joe Blow of Denver to sign as Joe Blow of Cincinnati.  That is a fraudulent signature &#8212; because Joe Blow would have falsified his place of residence on the document&#8217;s signature line. Another way of saying it: Joe Blow of Cincinnati is a non-existent person, so his signature is fake.  Other problems that can crop up with signatures (and I&#8217;m not saying Brinkman did any of this) are bogus dates.  So you can find (A) fake names (B) fake addresses (C) fake dates.  Any of them can be interpreted &#8211;and seems to have been interpreted over the years &#8212; as fake signatures, or non-legitimate signatures, because they are part of the act of signing.</p>
<p>I do admire your defense of Tom Brinkman, Jr.  I have known him for years, and while he and I do not share many of the same political viewpoints, I would never, ever characterize him as evil or purposefully corrupt.  He is opinionated, and tries to represent the people who vote for him and their point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. Okay.  Well - what would satisfy you? :)  I know - you want to wait.  So...I&#039;m a patient person.  I can wait. But then, I would like to hear your thoughts on what Brinkman could say that is satisfactory because really, will there be such a thing?  And, again, I say this because I believe that you and I both, among others I&#039;m sure we know, do act on a higher level, or try to.  So that&#039;s the minimum we should expect of an elected official, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Okay.  Well &#8211; what would satisfy you? :)  I know &#8211; you want to wait.  So&#8230;I&#8217;m a patient person.  I can wait. But then, I would like to hear your thoughts on what Brinkman could say that is satisfactory because really, will there be such a thing?  And, again, I say this because I believe that you and I both, among others I&#8217;m sure we know, do act on a higher level, or try to.  So that&#8217;s the minimum we should expect of an elected official, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3, if that&#039;s indeed the case, subsequent attempts by Brinkman to explain himself about what really went down will be unsatisfactory. 

I don&#039;t expect Ruehlman to go after Deters &amp; Co. He has his pound of flesh; I think he was out of bounds to extract it. Whether he had legitimate foundational grounds for engaging in what was nonetheless from all appearances unethical conduct is what Tom Brinkman needs to clear up when the time comes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3, if that&#8217;s indeed the case, subsequent attempts by Brinkman to explain himself about what really went down will be unsatisfactory. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect Ruehlman to go after Deters &#038; Co. He has his pound of flesh; I think he was out of bounds to extract it. Whether he had legitimate foundational grounds for engaging in what was nonetheless from all appearances unethical conduct is what Tom Brinkman needs to clear up when the time comes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The good ole boys club is the good ole boys club and trust me, what Deter&#039;s REALLY knows, Ruehlman REALLY knows.  Sadly, we&#039;ll never know what is discussed at the Queen City Club.  Is that an excuse for irresponsible journalism?  Of course not, but I honestly don&#039;t think Ruehlman makes a statement like that w/o knowing what really went down.

We all know Brinkman&#039;s tactics...ergo I&#039;d be looking at Deters &amp; Co. before the judge.

Food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The good ole boys club is the good ole boys club and trust me, what Deter&#8217;s REALLY knows, Ruehlman REALLY knows.  Sadly, we&#8217;ll never know what is discussed at the Queen City Club.  Is that an excuse for irresponsible journalism?  Of course not, but I honestly don&#8217;t think Ruehlman makes a statement like that w/o knowing what really went down.</p>
<p>We all know Brinkman&#8217;s tactics&#8230;ergo I&#8217;d be looking at Deters &amp; Co. before the judge.</p>
<p>Food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/07/23/judicial-and-media-brinkman-ship-and-looking-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-116059</link>
		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 Jill, I donâ€™t think we have the facts out there for a coffee klatch yet.

Your points are why, as noted in the post, Iâ€™m in the â€œI donâ€™t think soâ€ category on voting for him at the moment, because the standards for earning a vote are/should be higher than they are for walking around as a free person. But there is, or should be, more to come after the sentencing takes place.

When the time comes, I think he would be well-served to post something complete and thorough at his web site, call everyoneâ€™s attention to it, and basically say â€œhere it is.â€ If an opponent tries to pounce on it (assuming of course that the explanations are objectively satisfactory), it becomes â€œasked and answered.â€ If reporters ask, he should just repeat material from the statement, again assuming itâ€™s satisfactory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 Jill, I donâ€™t think we have the facts out there for a coffee klatch yet.</p>
<p>Your points are why, as noted in the post, Iâ€™m in the â€œI donâ€™t think soâ€ category on voting for him at the moment, because the standards for earning a vote are/should be higher than they are for walking around as a free person. But there is, or should be, more to come after the sentencing takes place.</p>
<p>When the time comes, I think he would be well-served to post something complete and thorough at his web site, call everyoneâ€™s attention to it, and basically say â€œhere it is.â€ If an opponent tries to pounce on it (assuming of course that the explanations are objectively satisfactory), it becomes â€œasked and answered.â€ If reporters ask, he should just repeat material from the statement, again assuming itâ€™s satisfactory.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom - I don&#039;t have any issue with you parsing the MSM treatment of the situation with Brinkman.  HOWEVER - and I ask this based on how much I respect your work here, if you and I were talking about this case over coffee, and I said to you, Tom, I just cannot see YOU ever behaving the way Brinkman has - whether or not he actually has done anything criminal, would you think I was wrong about you?  Because really, that&#039;s part of what I see as the real issue though of course I understand how infuriating it can be when the reports of a situation just don&#039;t do it justice (which is to pose for the reader the question: is Brinkman&#039;s conduct okay? the standard you want? regardless of whether criminal or not).

Do you know what I mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &#8211; I don&#8217;t have any issue with you parsing the MSM treatment of the situation with Brinkman.  HOWEVER &#8211; and I ask this based on how much I respect your work here, if you and I were talking about this case over coffee, and I said to you, Tom, I just cannot see YOU ever behaving the way Brinkman has &#8211; whether or not he actually has done anything criminal, would you think I was wrong about you?  Because really, that&#8217;s part of what I see as the real issue though of course I understand how infuriating it can be when the reports of a situation just don&#8217;t do it justice (which is to pose for the reader the question: is Brinkman&#8217;s conduct okay? the standard you want? regardless of whether criminal or not).</p>
<p>Do you know what I mean?</p>
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