Comments on: Correction Request Made on the NYT’s ‘Manufacturing Recession’ Claim http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/08/22/correction-request-made-on-the-nyts-manufacturing-recession-claim/ The Business End of the Blogosphere Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:09:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Pundit Review » Blog Archive » And the N.Y. Times Wonders Why Circulation Continues to Decline? http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/08/22/correction-request-made-on-the-nyts-manufacturing-recession-claim/#comment-116520 Pundit Review » Blog Archive » And the N.Y. Times Wonders Why Circulation Continues to Decline? Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:58:13 +0000 http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/08/22/correction-request-made-on-the-nyts-manufacturing-recession-claim/#comment-116520 [...] Tom has also informed me that he is trying to get the Times to issue another retraction/correction from the Public Editor and the Standards Editor demanding a correction to the Times’ six-month old claim, never retracted, that we were (and I suppose, since never retracted, still are) in a manufacturing recession which you can read here [...] […] Tom has also informed me that he is trying to get the Times to issue another retraction/correction from the Public Editor and the Standards Editor demanding a correction to the Times’ six-month old claim, never retracted, that we were (and I suppose, since never retracted, still are) in a manufacturing recession which you can read here […]

]]> By: TBlumer http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/08/22/correction-request-made-on-the-nyts-manufacturing-recession-claim/#comment-116501 TBlumer Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:06:13 +0000 http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/08/22/correction-request-made-on-the-nyts-manufacturing-recession-claim/#comment-116501 #1 and #3, I think your last paragraph in #3 is the most telling. It's hard to imagine that they don't log where people go. In the course of the past few days, I did learn that Johnston, for example, lives in a town a couple of hundred miles from NYC, has a Road Runner IP address out of Virginia, and probably operates outside the Times' computer system entirely. So some people are outside of the corp umbrella. Still, I'm pretty sure the wiki vandals who were caught had IPs that came back to 43rd St. in Manhattan, so the question Katie needs to ask about filtering/monitoring/firewall logs stands. #1 and #3, I think your last paragraph in #3 is the most telling. It’s hard to imagine that they don’t log where people go.

In the course of the past few days, I did learn that Johnston, for example, lives in a town a couple of hundred miles from NYC, has a Road Runner IP address out of Virginia, and probably operates outside the Times’ computer system entirely. So some people are outside of the corp umbrella. Still, I’m pretty sure the wiki vandals who were caught had IPs that came back to 43rd St. in Manhattan, so the question Katie needs to ask about filtering/monitoring/firewall logs stands.

]]> By: dave http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/08/22/correction-request-made-on-the-nyts-manufacturing-recession-claim/#comment-116495 dave Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:55:16 +0000 http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/08/22/correction-request-made-on-the-nyts-manufacturing-recession-claim/#comment-116495 more sleuthing reveals that the times has at least four blocks of class c internet address space. That only adds up to 1000 computers. Unless they have a lot more, they can only put 1000 people on the internet with real addresses. Since they have near 500 people were only 4% of the workforce, it's safe to assume they need a more ip addresses than they actually have and do use private addresses. But talking about this got me way off track. If the times is normal, they have an internet monitoring and filtering software. as a byproduct of the filtering, this software keeps logs of who goes to places like wikipedia, when they went there, and what they did. Someone should ask Katie about that. more sleuthing reveals that the times has at least four blocks of class c internet address space. That only adds up to 1000 computers. Unless they have a lot more, they can only put 1000 people on the internet with real addresses.

Since they have near 500 people were only 4% of the workforce, it’s safe to assume they need a more ip addresses than they actually have and do use private addresses.

But talking about this got me way off track. If the times is normal, they have an internet monitoring and filtering software. as a byproduct of the filtering, this software keeps logs of who goes to places like wikipedia, when they went there, and what they did. Someone should ask Katie about that.

]]> By: NixGuy.com » Asking For a Correction http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/08/22/correction-request-made-on-the-nyts-manufacturing-recession-claim/#comment-116494 NixGuy.com » Asking For a Correction Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:46:37 +0000 http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/08/22/correction-request-made-on-the-nyts-manufacturing-recession-claim/#comment-116494 [...] Granting the correction would mean the NYT has engaged in sloppy, biased, and inaccurate reporting.  Don’t hold your breath. Filed under: General by — Dave @ 11:45 pm [...] […] Granting the correction would mean the NYT has engaged in sloppy, biased, and inaccurate reporting.  Don’t hold your breath. Filed under: General by — Dave @ 11:45 pm […]

]]> By: dave http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/08/22/correction-request-made-on-the-nyts-manufacturing-recession-claim/#comment-116493 dave Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:43:36 +0000 http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/08/22/correction-request-made-on-the-nyts-manufacturing-recession-claim/#comment-116493 regarding the untraceability of wikipedia edits: I actually did a little sleuthing around my own domain to see who was sleuthing and why. Fun stuff, but nothing surprising or particularly noteworthy. The problem is going to be Natted addresses. It's a near certainty that all NYT computers are not in a publicly addressable internet space. this means they have private ip addresses just like you do when you are behind a home broadband router, you have an ip address like 192.168.x.x A quick hunt around does not reveal if the times uses private addresses, but I'm near certain that they do. In this case all the wikipedia edits would show up from one generic ip address that is assigned to the times as a whole, and not any particular user. It's possible that the times continuously archives their router logs and might be able to piece it together from their. I would think a big company should do this, for their own protection if nothing else, but that doesn't mean they actually do what they should. It could be done with router logs, impossible without. On the other hand if everyone at the NYT has a "real" internet addressable ip address, it's a piece of cake. regarding the untraceability of wikipedia edits:

I actually did a little sleuthing around my own domain to see who was sleuthing and why. Fun stuff, but nothing surprising or particularly noteworthy.

The problem is going to be Natted addresses. It’s a near certainty that all NYT computers are not in a publicly addressable internet space. this means they have private ip addresses just like you do when you are behind a home broadband router, you have an ip address like 192.168.x.x

A quick hunt around does not reveal if the times uses private addresses, but I’m near certain that they do. In this case all the wikipedia edits would show up from one generic ip address that is assigned to the times as a whole, and not any particular user.

It’s possible that the times continuously archives their router logs and might be able to piece it together from their. I would think a big company should do this, for their own protection if nothing else, but that doesn’t mean they actually do what they should. It could be done with router logs, impossible without.

On the other hand if everyone at the NYT has a “real” internet addressable ip address, it’s a piece of cake.

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