Comments on: This Could Have Been, and Still Could Be, Ohio http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/09/18/this-could-have-been-and-still-could-be-ohio/ The Business End of the Blogosphere Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:08:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: WildBill http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/09/18/this-could-have-been-and-still-could-be-ohio/#comment-116841 WildBill Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:32:27 +0000 http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/09/18/this-could-have-been-and-still-could-be-ohio/#comment-116841 Brian, You have a great point about Ohio turning left. Too many were spoiled with easy to get, great paying factory jobs when the Big 3 had a presence here. I simply cannot understand why Buckeyes have turned. Too many out there afraid to stand up on their own two feet. Electing Communists? Unreal! Ohio will really have to collapse economically before people start to change their minds. Politicians like Voinovich, Taft have only made matters worse. They encouraged the "handout mentality" pandering for votes. What a breath of fresh air a Daniels or Blackwell governorship could have made here. Remember Atlas Shrugged? It will take a hell of a lot more suffering before people and politicians wake up and change their minds about the goodness of big government. Perhaps its time for the producers to go on strike! I hope John Galt lives! Brian,
You have a great point about Ohio turning left. Too many were spoiled with easy to get, great paying factory jobs when the Big 3 had a presence here. I simply cannot understand why Buckeyes have turned. Too many out there afraid to stand up on their own two feet. Electing Communists? Unreal!
Ohio will really have to collapse economically before people start to change their minds. Politicians like Voinovich, Taft have only made matters worse. They encouraged the “handout mentality” pandering for votes. What a breath of fresh air a Daniels or Blackwell governorship could have made here.
Remember Atlas Shrugged? It will take a hell of a lot more suffering before people and politicians wake up and change their minds about the goodness of big government. Perhaps its time for the producers to go on strike!
I hope John Galt lives!

]]> By: TBlumer http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/09/18/this-could-have-been-and-still-could-be-ohio/#comment-116838 TBlumer Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:58:54 +0000 http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/09/18/this-could-have-been-and-still-could-be-ohio/#comment-116838 #1 Brian, so well said. We've had the ORP problem since the days of Jim Rhodes. I had hoped Voinovich as Guv would turn the tide, but after about 3 years, he wilted. There really is a need for a third party and/or independent candidates in Ohio. #1 Brian, so well said.

We’ve had the ORP problem since the days of Jim Rhodes. I had hoped Voinovich as Guv would turn the tide, but after about 3 years, he wilted.

There really is a need for a third party and/or independent candidates in Ohio.

]]> By: Brian http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/09/18/this-could-have-been-and-still-could-be-ohio/#comment-116837 Brian Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:52:45 +0000 http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/09/18/this-could-have-been-and-still-could-be-ohio/#comment-116837 Tom; Look at the historical trend of the eastern Midwestern states of Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, and Illinois since the “rust belt days” of the 1970s. Of the four states, Indiana had the most difficult time during the 1980s because of its weak industrial base, while Ohio, Michigan and Illinois were able ride the wave created by Reagan through the remnants of their once strong industrial base. However, by the 1990s Ohio, Michigan, and Illinois suffered from out-sourcing, foreign competition, and dramatic shifts in the industrial sector, and have steadily declined. Yet, Indiana made some very long term pro-growth decisions that took a little longer, but have been fruitful during 00-07. The learning curve has been steep for Indiana, but in the end they have learned; where as Ohio, Michigan, and Illinois have not. More to the point, Ohio voters will not demand privatization from Strickland because they one, are truly ignorant (in the literal sense) of privatization as they are of most economics; and two, as whole are more to the “left” than anytime in our State’s history. Please note my response to The Pullins Report (12 Sept 2007): “While I agree with you that the spending was inappropriate, I have to wonder if the average Ohio voter will really care. For 13 years Ohio citizens have voted for big spending and big government republicans time and time again. I think that the only way the republicans could lose if confronted with democrat candidates announcing “more spending,” basically being out spent. I see the average Ohio voter as fiscally undisciplined at home and in government. Ohioans have really lost their way. “Here is another indicator supporting this, currently the two top presidential candidates for Ohio are Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani. Both of the candidates are big government and big spending candidates that have the record to back it up my statement. So what does that say about Ohioans; they like big government politicians. “A second indicator is the number of elected officials that are in fact socialist. Now I am not trying to be incendiary, but we have a number that are in fact present day socialists; even one, Kucinich could be classified as a modern communist. But think about this, in your life time and those of your parents, when in the history of Ohio would it be possible for a known socialist to be voted to national office. Yet today we have Kucinich, Strickland, Brown, and Tubbs. Again, what does that say about Ohioans; it says they have moved decidedly to the left.” http://oneoarinthewater.blogspot.com/2007/09/one-oar-response-to-pullins-report-ohio.html I don’t think in my life time I will ever see the level of privatization needed to reduce the scope and size of government in Ohio. The only way this can happen is for a complete paradigm shift, and I don’t think this is going to happen when you have folks like Husted (R-Kettering) calling for universal health care insurance for all Ohioans, and the negligible difference demonstrated by the ORP and its rival the ODP. The lesson not being learned by Ohio republicans and the Republican Party, as is in IN, FL, and CO, is that “conservative” policies WILL PRODUCE PROSPERITY. And let’s face the fact, the ORP’s populist polices are sinking this state. So until Ohioans change their voting habits nothing will change. Tom;

Look at the historical trend of the eastern Midwestern states of Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, and Illinois since the “rust belt days” of the 1970s. Of the four states, Indiana had the most difficult time during the 1980s because of its weak industrial base, while Ohio, Michigan and Illinois were able ride the wave created by Reagan through the remnants of their once strong industrial base.

However, by the 1990s Ohio, Michigan, and Illinois suffered from out-sourcing, foreign competition, and dramatic shifts in the industrial sector, and have steadily declined. Yet, Indiana made some very long term pro-growth decisions that took a little longer, but have been fruitful during 00-07. The learning curve has been steep for Indiana, but in the end they have learned; where as Ohio, Michigan, and Illinois have not.

More to the point, Ohio voters will not demand privatization from Strickland because they one, are truly ignorant (in the literal sense) of privatization as they are of most economics; and two, as whole are more to the “left” than anytime in our State’s history.

Please note my response to The Pullins Report (12 Sept 2007):

“While I agree with you that the spending was inappropriate, I have to wonder if the average Ohio voter will really care. For 13 years Ohio citizens have voted for big spending and big government republicans time and time again. I think that the only way the republicans could lose if confronted with democrat candidates announcing “more spending,” basically being out spent. I see the average Ohio voter as fiscally undisciplined at home and in government. Ohioans have really lost their way.

“Here is another indicator supporting this, currently the two top presidential candidates for Ohio are Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani. Both of the candidates are big government and big spending candidates that have the record to back it up my statement. So what does that say about Ohioans; they like big government politicians.

“A second indicator is the number of elected officials that are in fact socialist. Now I am not trying to be incendiary, but we have a number that are in fact present day socialists; even one, Kucinich could be classified as a modern communist. But think about this, in your life time and those of your parents, when in the history of Ohio would it be possible for a known socialist to be voted to national office. Yet today we have Kucinich, Strickland, Brown, and Tubbs. Again, what does that say about Ohioans; it says they have moved decidedly to the left.”

http://oneoarinthewater.blogspot.com/2007/09/one-oar-response-to-pullins-report-ohio.html

I don’t think in my life time I will ever see the level of privatization needed to reduce the scope and size of government in Ohio. The only way this can happen is for a complete paradigm shift, and I don’t think this is going to happen when you have folks like Husted (R-Kettering) calling for universal health care insurance for all Ohioans, and the negligible difference demonstrated by the ORP and its rival the ODP.

The lesson not being learned by Ohio republicans and the Republican Party, as is in IN, FL, and CO, is that “conservative” policies WILL PRODUCE PROSPERITY. And let’s face the fact, the ORP’s populist polices are sinking this state. So until Ohioans change their voting habits nothing will change.

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