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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/10/31/this-pd-wide-open-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-117789</link>
		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, with all due respect -- 

What about &quot;barring divine intervention&quot; (in the $.02 post) don&#039;t you understand?

You of all people should know that the PD doesn&#039;t move at light speed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, with all due respect &#8212; </p>
<p>What about &#8220;barring divine intervention&#8221; (in the $.02 post) don&#8217;t you understand?</p>
<p>You of all people should know that the PD doesn&#8217;t move at light speed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Sloat</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/10/31/this-pd-wide-open-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-117788</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Sloat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 01:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom --

All the comments are interesting, but I have a question for you.  Are you hanging in on Wide Open?  Or is it over?  Your picture is stil there, along with Dave&#039;s photo, which leads me to assume you are continuing to be MSM bloggers, a bit of an irony considering your views of the press as a liberal hotbed.  Some kidding there.

But, are you guys in or out?  The whole world is watching.  If you plan to stay, an explanation would be fun to read, (remarkably) fun to read.  And if you plan to go, that would be hot news, stop the presses news....oops, fire up the keyboards news.  Just fill us all in, please.  That will give everybody something new to stew over etc.

I do feel bad that both Jeff and Jill went up the hill and then bailed.  Jeff is a sharp observer and activist, and Jill is a sage -- and I think had a lot more to do with putting the whole thing together than most people know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom &#8211;</p>
<p>All the comments are interesting, but I have a question for you.  Are you hanging in on Wide Open?  Or is it over?  Your picture is stil there, along with Dave&#8217;s photo, which leads me to assume you are continuing to be MSM bloggers, a bit of an irony considering your views of the press as a liberal hotbed.  Some kidding there.</p>
<p>But, are you guys in or out?  The whole world is watching.  If you plan to stay, an explanation would be fun to read, (remarkably) fun to read.  And if you plan to go, that would be hot news, stop the presses news&#8230;.oops, fire up the keyboards news.  Just fill us all in, please.  That will give everybody something new to stew over etc.</p>
<p>I do feel bad that both Jeff and Jill went up the hill and then bailed.  Jeff is a sharp observer and activist, and Jill is a sage &#8212; and I think had a lot more to do with putting the whole thing together than most people know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/10/31/this-pd-wide-open-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-117781</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:)  I only nudged you because I feel like I know, a little bit at least, where you can be nudged.  

Unless, of course! It was all a LIE! And a CONSPIRACY!  (joke joke joke)

Anyway - thanks - you like the honor thing and so do I.  Best to be consistent with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:)  I only nudged you because I feel like I know, a little bit at least, where you can be nudged.  </p>
<p>Unless, of course! It was all a LIE! And a CONSPIRACY!  (joke joke joke)</p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; thanks &#8211; you like the honor thing and so do I.  Best to be consistent with it.</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/10/31/this-pd-wide-open-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-117779</link>
		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11, Jill, that comment made a lot more sense at 6AM than it does now.

How about, â€œI am signalling my disagreement with most of the contents of the comment, particularly the personal evaluations of the WO participants, while avoiding getting into an irreconcilable shouting match with the commenter?â€

Actually, that would have been better the first time around. All four of us are very good bloggers who produce very good work.

Seriously, thanks for the nudge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11, Jill, that comment made a lot more sense at 6AM than it does now.</p>
<p>How about, â€œI am signalling my disagreement with most of the contents of the comment, particularly the personal evaluations of the WO participants, while avoiding getting into an irreconcilable shouting match with the commenter?â€</p>
<p>Actually, that would have been better the first time around. All four of us are very good bloggers who produce very good work.</p>
<p>Seriously, thanks for the nudge.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/10/31/this-pd-wide-open-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-117778</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom - you know, if you really want readers to understand what that reminder to readers means, you could actually express in words in the comment thread how it is that you disagree or explain why you might not endorse a comment, for example? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &#8211; you know, if you really want readers to understand what that reminder to readers means, you could actually express in words in the comment thread how it is that you disagree or explain why you might not endorse a comment, for example? :)</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/10/31/this-pd-wide-open-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-117773</link>
		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9, thanks for your thoughts.

Given the situation, I should remind readers that &quot;Allowing a comment to be posted does not constitute agreement with it, or endorsement of it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9, thanks for your thoughts.</p>
<p>Given the situation, I should remind readers that &#8220;Allowing a comment to be posted does not constitute agreement with it, or endorsement of it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe C.</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/10/31/this-pd-wide-open-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-117772</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t believe that $100 donation and LaTourette was the real reason - just the excuse. 

Jeff and Jill are fine for their gullible and uncritical audiences, but WO needed substance from the left to stand up to the superior quality of Tom and the high quality of Dave, and they just weren&#039;t getting it. 

The PD is a brand, and they can&#039;t afford to be associated with low quality, especially from someone that donates money against corporate rules. So BOOM...diversionary controversy so everyone saves face: PD looks beyond reproach, Jeff predictably and adolescently overreacts and becomes a &quot;hero&quot; to his side, and Jill reliably follows the popular and emotional decision to quit in a hissy for no apparent reason, leaving Tom and Dave as the adults and pros that they are. At which point the PD is indifferent between killing the project or re-engineer WO to something better.

My guess is that my scenario or Bizzy&#039;s is closer to the real truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t believe that $100 donation and LaTourette was the real reason &#8211; just the excuse. </p>
<p>Jeff and Jill are fine for their gullible and uncritical audiences, but WO needed substance from the left to stand up to the superior quality of Tom and the high quality of Dave, and they just weren&#8217;t getting it. </p>
<p>The PD is a brand, and they can&#8217;t afford to be associated with low quality, especially from someone that donates money against corporate rules. So BOOM&#8230;diversionary controversy so everyone saves face: PD looks beyond reproach, Jeff predictably and adolescently overreacts and becomes a &#8220;hero&#8221; to his side, and Jill reliably follows the popular and emotional decision to quit in a hissy for no apparent reason, leaving Tom and Dave as the adults and pros that they are. At which point the PD is indifferent between killing the project or re-engineer WO to something better.</p>
<p>My guess is that my scenario or Bizzy&#8217;s is closer to the real truth.</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/10/31/this-pd-wide-open-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-117767</link>
		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7, tell that to George SnuggleUpWithUs at ABC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7, tell that to George SnuggleUpWithUs at ABC.</p>
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		<title>By: BizzBuzz</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/10/31/this-pd-wide-open-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-117765</link>
		<dc:creator>BizzBuzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally think that it would have made no difference whether or not political contributions were made. They just would have found some other reason to justify the decision. The plain fact of the matter is that major media outlets are hamstrung by political entanglements. Unless, of course, one wants to go work at Fox, in which case that becomes an asset, just as long as the &#039;right&#039; foot is always forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think that it would have made no difference whether or not political contributions were made. They just would have found some other reason to justify the decision. The plain fact of the matter is that major media outlets are hamstrung by political entanglements. Unless, of course, one wants to go work at Fox, in which case that becomes an asset, just as long as the &#8216;right&#8217; foot is always forward.</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5, see #2. Peace out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5, see #2. Peace out.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t begrudge you the want to hear from Jeff privately first, this seems a bit of a cop out to me.  You can easily back him after the fact and take what you know then and come out and do what I would consider the only real thing to do - resign yourself in protest of a situation when your &quot;drive-by media&quot; clearly caved to political pressure in order to substantively change the criticism of an elected official.  

You didn&#039;t.  That is on you.  Be consistent in your holding media accountable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t begrudge you the want to hear from Jeff privately first, this seems a bit of a cop out to me.  You can easily back him after the fact and take what you know then and come out and do what I would consider the only real thing to do &#8211; resign yourself in protest of a situation when your &#8220;drive-by media&#8221; clearly caved to political pressure in order to substantively change the criticism of an elected official.  </p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t.  That is on you.  Be consistent in your holding media accountable.</p>
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		<title>By: BizzyBlog &#187; My $.02</title>
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		<dc:creator>BizzyBlog &#187; My $.02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you want my perspective on yesterday&#8217;s and last evening&#8217;s events, go here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you want my perspective on yesterday&#8217;s and last evening&#8217;s events, go here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Plunderbund - &#187; PeeDeeâ€™s â€œWide Shutâ€ Blog Firing Fiasco Roundup - Day 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plunderbund - &#187; PeeDeeâ€™s â€œWide Shutâ€ Blog Firing Fiasco Roundup - Day 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BizzyBlog: The Jeff Coryell-PD-Wide Open Thing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] BizzyBlog: The Jeff Coryell-PD-Wide Open Thing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/10/31/this-pd-wide-open-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-117756</link>
		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, all of that is very useful, and would have come in handy yesterday evening (though it would have been late evening in my case). The context you recited is important, and puts me more on your side in terms of disagreeing with the PD&#039;s handling and ultimate decision. 

It makes it seem more likely that the three of us would have backed you if we had all convened, and that the statement to the PD as to how they were blowing it would have been been stronger. What might have happened from there, we&#039;ll never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, all of that is very useful, and would have come in handy yesterday evening (though it would have been late evening in my case). The context you recited is important, and puts me more on your side in terms of disagreeing with the PD&#8217;s handling and ultimate decision. </p>
<p>It makes it seem more likely that the three of us would have backed you if we had all convened, and that the statement to the PD as to how they were blowing it would have been been stronger. What might have happened from there, we&#8217;ll never know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Coryell</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/10/31/this-pd-wide-open-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-117755</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Coryell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the good wishes, Tom.

Yes, having read what you wrote here, I&#039;m thinking it may have been a good thing if I had tried to convene some sort of all-blogger conversation after Jean made his request. I guess I didn&#039;t rise to the occasion. In my defense, it all happened very fast.

We knew for weeks that Rep. LaTourette was complaining to the Plain Dealer about my participation, but there were only a few hours between Jean Dubail calling me to ask for the first time if I would agree never to mention LaTourette on Wide Open, and him telling me in a later call that I was fired. I told him in one of those conversations that if I was let go I was going to consider my agreement not to mention the stuff with LaTourette at an end, and in fact I planned to tell the world immediately. He said that he understood. After the last call I set right to work.

In my opinion, the PD yielding to LaTourette&#039;s pressure, and insisting that a blogger (as opposed to a reporter) can&#039;t write about anyone involved in a race where the blogger has made a donation, ripped the heart out of Wide Open. I imagine you may feel differently, but for me the whole thing was ruined right there.

This was a great experiment, and if Wide Open doesn&#039;t continue for you guys I&#039;m confident that there will be other such opportunities. I wish you the best in your endeavors as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the good wishes, Tom.</p>
<p>Yes, having read what you wrote here, I&#8217;m thinking it may have been a good thing if I had tried to convene some sort of all-blogger conversation after Jean made his request. I guess I didn&#8217;t rise to the occasion. In my defense, it all happened very fast.</p>
<p>We knew for weeks that Rep. LaTourette was complaining to the Plain Dealer about my participation, but there were only a few hours between Jean Dubail calling me to ask for the first time if I would agree never to mention LaTourette on Wide Open, and him telling me in a later call that I was fired. I told him in one of those conversations that if I was let go I was going to consider my agreement not to mention the stuff with LaTourette at an end, and in fact I planned to tell the world immediately. He said that he understood. After the last call I set right to work.</p>
<p>In my opinion, the PD yielding to LaTourette&#8217;s pressure, and insisting that a blogger (as opposed to a reporter) can&#8217;t write about anyone involved in a race where the blogger has made a donation, ripped the heart out of Wide Open. I imagine you may feel differently, but for me the whole thing was ruined right there.</p>
<p>This was a great experiment, and if Wide Open doesn&#8217;t continue for you guys I&#8217;m confident that there will be other such opportunities. I wish you the best in your endeavors as well.</p>
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