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	<title>Comments on: Obama Tries to Talk, and Take, the Economy Down. Where&#8217;s the Outrage?</title>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2008/07/14/obama-little-doubt-were-in-recession-wheres-the-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-123235</link>
		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9, sigh.

Yes, prices will come down. I defer to economist Walter Williams to explain why:
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams071008.php3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9, sigh.</p>
<p>Yes, prices will come down. I defer to economist Walter Williams to explain why:<br />
<a href="http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams071008.php3" rel="nofollow">http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams071008.php3</a></p>
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		<title>By: CityKin</title>
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		<dc:creator>CityKin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit I am not a mathmetician or an economist.  However, if the wars are necessary to secure our cheap oil, then sacrifice is required in time of war.  Bush only asks for sacrifice from those in uniform.  To the rest of us the message is &quot;keep shopping&quot;.  

Did you ever wonder why only 18% of existing leases on offshore drilling rights are being exercised?  Even if we sprinkle our coastlines with oil rigs and drill in the artic, and strip mine Alberta and Montana for oily sand, prices will not come down.  This is because the easy oil is diminishing, and the world&#039;s and especially China&#039;s appetite for oil continues to grow.  We may be able to somehow become oil self sufficient, but the price will not come down, especially with the weak dollar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit I am not a mathmetician or an economist.  However, if the wars are necessary to secure our cheap oil, then sacrifice is required in time of war.  Bush only asks for sacrifice from those in uniform.  To the rest of us the message is &#8220;keep shopping&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Did you ever wonder why only 18% of existing leases on offshore drilling rights are being exercised?  Even if we sprinkle our coastlines with oil rigs and drill in the artic, and strip mine Alberta and Montana for oily sand, prices will not come down.  This is because the easy oil is diminishing, and the world&#8217;s and especially China&#8217;s appetite for oil continues to grow.  We may be able to somehow become oil self sufficient, but the price will not come down, especially with the weak dollar.</p>
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		<title>By: dscott</title>
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		<dc:creator>dscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6, this is particularly curious since it&#039;s on the books that you are still liable for US income tax 10 years after renunciation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6, this is particularly curious since it&#8217;s on the books that you are still liable for US income tax 10 years after renunciation.</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Largely because the deficit, which is the result of tax cuts plus expensive war.&lt;/i&gt;

Make that &quot;Largely because the deficit, which is the result of overspending.&quot;

Sorry no sale. Revenues to the government &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/10/14/newspapers-of-record-fail-to-record-federal-fiscal-year-deficit-news/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;went up 44% in four years&lt;/a&gt;. We were able to afford the wars (necessary in any event), but Congress never let up in its heavy-spending ways (a bi-partisan problem), and Bush didn&#039;t try to apply the brakes. You can do math. Why can&#039;t you see that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Largely because the deficit, which is the result of tax cuts plus expensive war.</i></p>
<p>Make that &#8220;Largely because the deficit, which is the result of overspending.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry no sale. Revenues to the government <a href="http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/10/14/newspapers-of-record-fail-to-record-federal-fiscal-year-deficit-news/" rel="nofollow">went up 44% in four years</a>. We were able to afford the wars (necessary in any event), but Congress never let up in its heavy-spending ways (a bi-partisan problem), and Bush didn&#8217;t try to apply the brakes. You can do math. Why can&#8217;t you see that?</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4, good question.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/18/world/18expat.html?_r=1&amp;em&amp;ex=1166504400&amp;en=4a9fff99d17afbfb&amp;ei=5087%0A&amp;oref=slogin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This NYT article from late 2006&lt;/a&gt; said that 509 had given up US citizenship so far that year. The article focused on Americans working overseas paying US income tax, saying that we&#039;re the ONLY country that does this, and the estate tax.

I vaguely remember some movement towards citizenship give-ups after the 1993 Clinton tax increases. I think I saw it in Forbes. It wasn&#039;t big numbers then either. But I think marginal rates of 60% (39.6% fed, 2.9% medicare, 12.4% SocSec, and at least 5% in a lot of states) might increase the trickle a bit. Living overseas without losing touch gets ever easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4, good question.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/18/world/18expat.html?_r=1&#038;em&#038;ex=1166504400&#038;en=4a9fff99d17afbfb&#038;ei=5087%0A&#038;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">This NYT article from late 2006</a> said that 509 had given up US citizenship so far that year. The article focused on Americans working overseas paying US income tax, saying that we&#8217;re the ONLY country that does this, and the estate tax.</p>
<p>I vaguely remember some movement towards citizenship give-ups after the 1993 Clinton tax increases. I think I saw it in Forbes. It wasn&#8217;t big numbers then either. But I think marginal rates of 60% (39.6% fed, 2.9% medicare, 12.4% SocSec, and at least 5% in a lot of states) might increase the trickle a bit. Living overseas without losing touch gets ever easier.</p>
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		<title>By: CityKin</title>
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		<dc:creator>CityKin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gas is expensive for several reasons, but a big part of it is the low value of the dollar. And why is the value of the dollar low?  Largely because the deficit, which is the result of tax cuts plus expensive war.  You&#039;re the economist, why don&#039;t you see this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gas is expensive for several reasons, but a big part of it is the low value of the dollar. And why is the value of the dollar low?  Largely because the deficit, which is the result of tax cuts plus expensive war.  You&#8217;re the economist, why don&#8217;t you see this?</p>
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		<title>By: dscott</title>
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		<dc:creator>dscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1, Very interesting that Democrats slipped in this piece of legislation without saying why or little fanfare.  Now why do you suppose they would do that unless people are actually giving up their citizenship?   It would also seem to me that they are leaving a loophole for those who know and plan for it by selling off their assets prior to renunciation or incorporating such assets.  So what would be the profile of such people? Any numbers on the amount of emmigration out of the country???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1, Very interesting that Democrats slipped in this piece of legislation without saying why or little fanfare.  Now why do you suppose they would do that unless people are actually giving up their citizenship?   It would also seem to me that they are leaving a loophole for those who know and plan for it by selling off their assets prior to renunciation or incorporating such assets.  So what would be the profile of such people? Any numbers on the amount of emmigration out of the country???</p>
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		<title>By: TBlumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TBlumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot for the catch. No I hadn&#039;t noticed.

Some will react if they can by pulling a Marc Rich and simply won&#039;t pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot for the catch. No I hadn&#8217;t noticed.</p>
<p>Some will react if they can by pulling a Marc Rich and simply won&#8217;t pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Mack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have assumed that stocks are dropping and the economy slowed purely because Obama is a candidate and is espousing investment destroying policies.  The market will continue to fall until it becomes clear that he will not win.  If he does win, there is no limit to how far down things can go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have assumed that stocks are dropping and the economy slowed purely because Obama is a candidate and is espousing investment destroying policies.  The market will continue to fall until it becomes clear that he will not win.  If he does win, there is no limit to how far down things can go.</p>
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		<title>By: Right2thePoint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right2thePoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;others may vote with their feet and leave the country altogether&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.suntimes.com/business/savage/1030942,CST-FIN-terry30.savagearticle&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Border Run?&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
    You probably didnâ€™t notice this little provision inserted into the Heroes Act of 2008, passed by Congress on June 17.

    The headlines in the press release about the law were about the increased benefits for veterans and families of deceased military.

    But Richard Kohan of Price WaterhouseCoopers drew my attention to one section of the actâ€”the portion that states anyone voluntarily giving up his or her citizenship will be taxed on ALL of his assets as if he or she had sold themâ€”paying capital gains on assets that have increased in value, even though they have not been sold!

    Thatâ€™s right. While everyone in the media is focused on keeping aliens out of America, Congress has voted to lock its citizensâ€”or at least a good portion of their assetsâ€”intoâ€”America! Maybe theyâ€™re thinking that patriotism wonâ€™t be enough to keep the smart money from recognizing the coming increases in the tax burden.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>others may vote with their feet and leave the country altogether</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.suntimes.com/business/savage/1030942,CST-FIN-terry30.savagearticle" rel="nofollow">Border Run?</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
    You probably didnâ€™t notice this little provision inserted into the Heroes Act of 2008, passed by Congress on June 17.</p>
<p>    The headlines in the press release about the law were about the increased benefits for veterans and families of deceased military.</p>
<p>    But Richard Kohan of Price WaterhouseCoopers drew my attention to one section of the actâ€”the portion that states anyone voluntarily giving up his or her citizenship will be taxed on ALL of his assets as if he or she had sold themâ€”paying capital gains on assets that have increased in value, even though they have not been sold!</p>
<p>    Thatâ€™s right. While everyone in the media is focused on keeping aliens out of America, Congress has voted to lock its citizensâ€”or at least a good portion of their assetsâ€”intoâ€”America! Maybe theyâ€™re thinking that patriotism wonâ€™t be enough to keep the smart money from recognizing the coming increases in the tax burden.</p></blockquote>
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