August 24, 2008

More Biden Wiki Wackiness: A Whole Year Disappears

The Friday evening version of Joe Biden’s Wikipedia entry remains firmly ensconced in a Firefox tab on my desktop, so it can be compared to its current form as Obama-Biden’s busy bees brush it up. I’m doing comparisons as time allows, and there isn’t much of it at the moment.

One thing is quickly obvious — a whole year has disappeared:


Amazing. Where did 2004 go?

You’ll just loooooove what got moved to a different and less logical section of the entry, while the section “2004″ went away (Note: I originally believed that the text in the “2004″ section had been deleted; also see the Update below):


(The text was moved to an area before the section for the 1988 campaign. For reasons unknown, the entry now posits that Biden didn’t “really” campaign in 2004, though evidence noted in the Update below indicates that he did.)

Joe Biden thought that John McCain would be perfectly qualified to be Veep on the Democratic ticket in 2004, and thus fit to serve as President if something should happen to John Kerry, his party’s nominee.

Now we get to hear Joe Biden tell us why John McCain shouldn’t be president.

It doesn’t get much better than that.

Incidentally the two footnoted links in the 2004 picture both work (here and here).

But, “oddly enough,” all that remains of the footnote relating to McCain is a headlined article at MSNBC with no text:

What are the odds that anyone in traditional media will take any interest in the ongoing whitewash? Or is it really possible that they’re participating in it?

Cross-posted at


UPDATE: I have made some modifications to the original entry, given the circumstances.

Before Biden was picked by Obama, there was a section in “presidential campaigns” called “2004.” That heading for that “whole year” has disappeared, as if he didn’t “campaign” for president. The headline of this post is therefore fine.

We can split hairs over the definition of “campaign,” but you’ll see at this CNN link from early 2004 that after Kerry was the clear nominee, Biden was considered someone “Who’s out.” The fact that he’s on the list means that in mid-2003, he must have been considered among the viable candidates with serious intentions to run, and that CNN considers him to have to some extent “campaigned.” “Campaigning” includes trying to bring on big-money donors and/or big-money connections and finding out that the money isn’t there, as Biden did.

The problem, if I recall correctly, is that Howard Dean was hogging all of the oxygen during that time, and people like Biden and certain others in the “who’s out” group couldn’t get noticed.

So I believe that the original 2004 entry was valid where it was, and its text should never have been moved to above 1988. I didn’t scour the entry from top to bottom to see where the text had been moved. Who would?

I have now noted that the text was moved to an illogical place, but that doesn’t change the fact that 2004 as a “Biden presidential campaign” disappeared — apparently, only because he was selected as Obama’s Veep. There’s no defense for that.

All of this makes it a slightly less egregious whitewash, but a whitewash nonetheless.

More to the point re the ads and disads of Wiki, the “wiki community” was fine with the entry for the 2004 section until Biden was selected. There is no reason, besides an invalid agenda-driven one, that Biden’s selection should have affected that section’s existence or its text’s location in any way, shape, or form.

UPDATE 2: Commenter Jim Taylor found the MSNBC article, which was actually from Reuters, in the Wayback Archive. It is reproduced here for fair use and discussion purposes –

WASHINGTON – Sen. Joseph Biden, a senior Democrat, on Sunday urged Republican Sen. John McCain to run for vice president with the Democratic hopeful, Sen. John Kerry, in order to heal the “vicious rift” dividing America.

McCain, of Arizona, “categorically” ruled out standing with Kerry, but Biden, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he had no second choice.

“I’m sticking with McCain,” Biden said.

“I think John McCain would be a great candidate for vice president,” Biden, from Delaware, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” where the two senators appeared together to take questions on Iraq and other subjects.

“Do I think it’s going to happen? No,” he said. “But I think it is a reflection of the desire of this country and the desire of people in both parties to want to see this God-awful, vicious rift that exists in the nation healed, and John and John could go a long way to heal in that rift.”

McCain, chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee and in line to take over the Senate Armed Services panel in two years, endorsed Biden’s call for bridging the political gap between Democrats and Republicans.

“There’s too much partisanship in America, and there’s too much partisanship in the Senate,” he said. “And we’re not doing our job as our constituents expect us to do.”

“I will always take anyone’s phone calls,” McCain said of any call he might get from Kerry, a fellow decorated Vietnam War veteran. “But I will not, I categorically will not do it.”

Kerry said Wednesday that McCain, a frequent critic of President Bush, would be his first choice to replace Donald Rumsfeld, the secretary of defense now wrestling with the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal.

“I have any number of people that I would make secretary of Defense, beginning with our good friend John McCain,” Kerry said last week.

But on “Meet the Press” Sunday, McCain also indicated he was not interested in becoming secretary of defense in the event of a Kerry victory in November.



  1. The MSNBC news article can be viewed here:

    Comment by Jim Taylor — August 24, 2008 @ 3:31 pm

  2. “Or is it really possible that they’re participating in it?”

    I wouldn’t say it is possible. No, I’d say it is extremely likely.

    Comment by largebill — August 24, 2008 @ 7:00 pm

  3. #1, thx.

    Comment by TBlumer — August 24, 2008 @ 10:55 pm

  4. Tom, I think the Biden pick makes it less likely it will be Romney, which would make you happy. With the early attack line on Biden =- what he said about Obama in the primary – I have to think the tables can be turned.

    Though I doubt Romney ever said McCain wasnt ready for on the job training.

    Comment by Ben Keeler — August 25, 2008 @ 1:47 am

  5. The quote “two wall hold of the same roof”, must apply. I ran across a you tube interview with Huffington regarding John McCain, and how she had adored him in his last run for President, it got me curious. In an article from the Hill it states McCain was thinking of switching parties.

    Article on the Hill on McCain switching sides to Democratic side in 2001 link above.
    Article and audio by Jonathan Singer, regarding an interview on 2004 and the topic of the Hill article.

    Comment by ds — August 25, 2008 @ 8:41 am

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