December 15, 2012

Saturday Off-Topic (Moderated) Open Thread (121512)

Filed under: Lucid Links — Tom @ 6:05 am

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  1. Just have a reference for the now raging debate over the CT school shootings as to what we must do to prevent them:

    Liberal Policies Are to Blame for Today’s Mass Shooting in Newtown, CT

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/liberal-policies-are-to-blame-for-todays-mass-shooting-in-newtown-ct/

    National Vital Statistics Reports 2011

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr59/nvsr59_04.pdf

    Top 15 causes of death in US:

    1. Diseases of heart
    2. Malignant neoplasms
    3. Chronic lower respiratory diseases
    4. Cerebrovascular diseases
    5. Accidents (unintentional injuries)
    6. Alzheimer’s disease
    7. Diabetes mellitus
    8. Influenza and pneumonia
    9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis
    10. Intentional self-harm (suicide)
    11. Septicemia
    12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis
    13. Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease
    14. Parkinson’s disease
    15. Assault (homicide)

    Note that gun related violence is not even in the top ten. In fact out of the over 2.4 million deaths, 16,591 were attributed to #15 homicide.

    Table 2 gets to the detail:
    Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms …………………..11,406
    Accidental discharge…………….588

    Table 5 Infant mortality
    Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms …………………….. 24
    Accidentaldischargeoffirearms …………………………….. – (0)

    Table 8. Infant deaths and infant mortality rates for the 10 leading causes of infant death: United States, preliminary 2009

    Rank, Number, Rate. . .
    All causes ……………………………………………………
    26,526
    642.1

    1
    Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities……………..
    (Q00–Q99)
    5,358
    129.7

    2
    Disorders related to short gestation and low birth weight, not elsewhere classified ………….. (P07)
    4,463
    108.0

    3
    Sudden infant death syndrome ……………………………………… (R95)
    2,168
    52.5

    4
    Newborn affected by maternal complications of pregnancy ……………………….. (P01)
    1,586
    38.4

    5
    Accidents (unintentional injuries) ………………………………….. (V01–X59)
    1,158
    28.0

    6
    Newborn affected by complications of placenta, cord and membranes …………………. (P02)
    1,022
    24.7

    7
    Bacterial sepsis of newborn ……………………………………….. (P36)
    682
    16.5

    8
    Respiratory distress of newborn……………………………………… (P22)
    587
    14.2

    9
    Diseases of the circulatory system ………………………………….. (I00–I99)
    565
    13.7

    10
    Neonatal hemorrhage……………………………………… (P50–P52,P54)
    537
    13.0
    . . .

    All other causes ……………………………………………
    (residual)
    8,400
    203.3

    Comment by dscott — December 15, 2012 @ 10:17 am

  2. First, all my prayers and condolences to those affected by the tragedy yesterday.

    Comment by zf — December 15, 2012 @ 1:23 pm

  3. Second, I want to touch on something Rush mentioned yesterday. Apparently the Senate Intelligence Committee (over the objections over most the Republicans on it) has approved some bloated report claiming “harsh” interrogation techniques on terrorists didn’t yield any useful information.

    C’mon, it didn’t yield *any* good information? Not even a single bit of info? That is hard to believe.

    Also, are we are supposed to take the word of a bunch of insulated bureaucratic desk jockeys over the word of all the people who actually were there that said it did yield valuable info and all the CIA memos and other evidence that also show it did?

    I notice McCain is on the committee. I bet he is one of the Republicans who voted to approve. I lost all respect for McCain the day he decided to exploit his personal experiences with very real torture (instead of the left wing nonsensical notion of what is “torture”) to slander those trying to keep us safe by claiming they were engaged in the moral equivalent. He put politics and winning Brownie points from liberals above the well being of the American people and for that I have no use for him.

    Comment by zf — December 15, 2012 @ 1:48 pm

  4. While guns are a significant factor in homicide, they represent (11406/16591) 68.7%. What about all the other means like knives and poison?

    If you look at Table 7 you will see the death rates for each age group 5 – 14, gun violence doesn’t even rate the top 10. Auto accidents are the #1 killer of children followed by all other accidents.

    Comment by dscott — December 15, 2012 @ 5:46 pm

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