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	<title>Comments on: Not News in U.S.: 60,000 on NHS&#8217;s &#8216;Liverpool Care Pathway&#8217; (to Death) in UK Never Told</title>
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		<title>By: Britain&#8217;s Medical Death Row &#171; The Liberty Bullhorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britain&#8217;s Medical Death Row &#171; The Liberty Bullhorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up in arms. This is, by the way, a very important topic for Americans to educate themselves about. As BizzyBlog points out, the debate over the terrifying practices of government-run health care in Europe is barely even [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up in arms. This is, by the way, a very important topic for Americans to educate themselves about. As BizzyBlog points out, the debate over the terrifying practices of government-run health care in Europe is barely even [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wumingren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wumingren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people who crafted Obamacare have known all along that euthanasia was the goal for the aged, as Obama himself stated that we were needlessly spending 80% of our healthcare costs on people who are already dying. This suggests that the easiest way to cut costs for a national healthcare system is to limit treatment for those deemed to be dying.

Pulling food and water from aged patients just to get them dead faster is euthanasia, and someone has to decide when that time will come for each of us. Whether this results from a set of bureaucratic rules or from the consensus of a committee (whether or not doctors or accountants make up that committee), the governing instrument is a &quot;death panel.&quot; Democrats say, &quot;Oh, no, it&#039;s not a &#039;death panel,&#039; silly, it&#039;s an end of life panel,&quot; and we&#039;re supposed to say, &quot;Oh, okay then, as long as it&#039;s not a &#039;death panel.&#039;&quot;

By forcing Christian healthcare providers to perform abortions, Obama is doing nothing more than purging the healthcare community of persons of conscience. If these doctors and nurses will not take the lives of innocents in the womb, they will likely also not go along with euthanasia for the aged. It will be easier to implement &quot;end of life&quot; protocols with people who have no conscience.

My sister-in-law, a registered nurse, was asked by an attending physician, &quot;Are you okay with morphine?&quot; Thinking he meant, &quot;Do you know how to administer morphine?&quot; she said, &quot;Yes.&quot; The doctor then ordered a megadose of morphine for his patient, and she said, &quot;This is too much. It will stop his respiration.&quot; The doctor said, &quot;That&#039;s the idea. I thought you said you were &#039;okay with morphine.&#039;&quot; Handing the doctor the bottle of morphine, she said, &quot;If you want to kill your patient, doctor, you&#039;ll have to do it yourself.&quot; My sister-in-law is the sort that Obamacare will not long tolerate. Eventually, she will be told, &quot;Do it, or you&#039;re fired.&quot;

When all those who revere life are purged from the medical community, what sort of compassion will remain? We too often hear of abuse of seniors in elder-care units at the hands of cruel, incompassionate attendants. Growing old was never for the feint-hearted, but now it gets worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people who crafted Obamacare have known all along that euthanasia was the goal for the aged, as Obama himself stated that we were needlessly spending 80% of our healthcare costs on people who are already dying. This suggests that the easiest way to cut costs for a national healthcare system is to limit treatment for those deemed to be dying.</p>
<p>Pulling food and water from aged patients just to get them dead faster is euthanasia, and someone has to decide when that time will come for each of us. Whether this results from a set of bureaucratic rules or from the consensus of a committee (whether or not doctors or accountants make up that committee), the governing instrument is a &#8220;death panel.&#8221; Democrats say, &#8220;Oh, no, it&#8217;s not a &#8216;death panel,&#8217; silly, it&#8217;s an end of life panel,&#8221; and we&#8217;re supposed to say, &#8220;Oh, okay then, as long as it&#8217;s not a &#8216;death panel.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>By forcing Christian healthcare providers to perform abortions, Obama is doing nothing more than purging the healthcare community of persons of conscience. If these doctors and nurses will not take the lives of innocents in the womb, they will likely also not go along with euthanasia for the aged. It will be easier to implement &#8220;end of life&#8221; protocols with people who have no conscience.</p>
<p>My sister-in-law, a registered nurse, was asked by an attending physician, &#8220;Are you okay with morphine?&#8221; Thinking he meant, &#8220;Do you know how to administer morphine?&#8221; she said, &#8220;Yes.&#8221; The doctor then ordered a megadose of morphine for his patient, and she said, &#8220;This is too much. It will stop his respiration.&#8221; The doctor said, &#8220;That&#8217;s the idea. I thought you said you were &#8216;okay with morphine.&#8217;&#8221; Handing the doctor the bottle of morphine, she said, &#8220;If you want to kill your patient, doctor, you&#8217;ll have to do it yourself.&#8221; My sister-in-law is the sort that Obamacare will not long tolerate. Eventually, she will be told, &#8220;Do it, or you&#8217;re fired.&#8221;</p>
<p>When all those who revere life are purged from the medical community, what sort of compassion will remain? We too often hear of abuse of seniors in elder-care units at the hands of cruel, incompassionate attendants. Growing old was never for the feint-hearted, but now it gets worse.</p>
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		<title>By: theBuckWheat</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2013/01/12/not-news-in-u-s-60000-on-nhss-liverpool-care-death-pathway-in-uk-never-told/comment-page-1/#comment-171934</link>
		<dc:creator>theBuckWheat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctors will actually serve government actuaries.

Case in point:  For ~$100 I could have a set of ultrasound tests to assess the health of some key arteries.  For example, how this was the plaque in my carotid?  I was happy to pay the money to find out that mine was totally clear.  It was kind of a reverse lottery that I was glad to lose.

I mentioned this to a friend who happened to be an expert on evidence-based medicine.  He told me that it was less expensive to treat the few people who survive an occluded carotid than to give the test to every older patient.

This is the difference between when people can buy the health care services they want to with their own money and when they allow themselves to become dependent upon government to provide health care for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctors will actually serve government actuaries.</p>
<p>Case in point:  For ~$100 I could have a set of ultrasound tests to assess the health of some key arteries.  For example, how this was the plaque in my carotid?  I was happy to pay the money to find out that mine was totally clear.  It was kind of a reverse lottery that I was glad to lose.</p>
<p>I mentioned this to a friend who happened to be an expert on evidence-based medicine.  He told me that it was less expensive to treat the few people who survive an occluded carotid than to give the test to every older patient.</p>
<p>This is the difference between when people can buy the health care services they want to with their own money and when they allow themselves to become dependent upon government to provide health care for them.</p>
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		<title>By: In Great Britain – 57,000 Patients a Year Die Without Being Told Life-Saving Treatments Have Been Stopped &#124; Undivided US</title>
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		<dc:creator>In Great Britain – 57,000 Patients a Year Die Without Being Told Life-Saving Treatments Have Been Stopped &#124; Undivided US</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A third of families are also not told when doctors withdraw lifesaving treatment from loved ones. BizzyBlog reported: The latest news about the pathway has drawn the attention of a few prolife blogs in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: In Great Britain – 57,000 Patients a Year Die Without Being Told Life-Saving Treatments Have Been Stopped &#124; 168ops.org</title>
		<link>http://www.bizzyblog.com/2013/01/12/not-news-in-u-s-60000-on-nhss-liverpool-care-death-pathway-in-uk-never-told/comment-page-1/#comment-171931</link>
		<dc:creator>In Great Britain – 57,000 Patients a Year Die Without Being Told Life-Saving Treatments Have Been Stopped &#124; 168ops.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A third of families are also not told when doctors withdraw lifesaving treatment from loved ones. BizzyBlog reported: The latest news about the pathway has drawn the attention of a few prolife blogs in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A third of families are also not told when doctors withdraw lifesaving treatment from loved ones. BizzyBlog reported: The latest news about the pathway has drawn the attention of a few prolife blogs in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Star</title>
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		<dc:creator>Star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to put too fine a point on it--and many people in many circumstances--welcome &quot;hospice&quot; here. But once you commit to it (they keep saying it&#039;s &quot;free&quot;), you are giving permission to withhold food and water in some circumstances. They will say the person cannot eat or drink--well, that&#039;s true--they are gorked on regular morphine injections even if they don&#039;t have pain. Soooo....you decide. I think hospice will be very popular here in a few yrs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to put too fine a point on it&#8211;and many people in many circumstances&#8211;welcome &#8220;hospice&#8221; here. But once you commit to it (they keep saying it&#8217;s &#8220;free&#8221;), you are giving permission to withhold food and water in some circumstances. They will say the person cannot eat or drink&#8211;well, that&#8217;s true&#8211;they are gorked on regular morphine injections even if they don&#8217;t have pain. Soooo&#8230;.you decide. I think hospice will be very popular here in a few yrs.</p>
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