April 20, 2017

Thursday Off-Topic (Moderated) Open Thread (042017)

Filed under: Lucid Links — Tom @ 5:55 am

This open thread is meant for commenters to post on items either briefly noted below (if any) or otherwise not covered at this blog. Rules are here.



  1. Breaking News!: The Russians hacked the North Korean missile launch

    by Not-Monica Showden

    Yes, you read it here first! The Russians did it!!! After all, aren’t they the Bad Guys who can do everything, even figure out how to corrupt our election machines? Oh wait, that’s right, they didn’t do that last one. But maybe they did do this new explosion.

    Reading the news stories on the North Korea launch. Wording matters. Monica Showalter at “American Thinker” has some interesting speculation. But that’s all it is: “speculation”. It is not “leaks”. There is a BIG HUGE DEAL difference.

    Despite how attention getting that word is in a headline — Get your Leaks news here! — and online news needs eyeballs and clicks to get advertisers and sponsors, it is as serious matter and some words should not be written lightly. A “leak” is a release of actual facts provided by a person(s) with a non-disclosure agreement to unauthorized persons. Whether its leaking business intelligence for a good stock tip to risk an Insider Trading conviction (yes, I’m talking to you, Martha Stewart) or the more grave matter of national security information, this is an issue where words need to be treated with great care.

    Review Ms Showalter’s quotes: She quotes a “former” British politician. What the heck! Maybe the British did the hacking and this is their Deflection of blame! After all, a country who hacks another’s missile systems risks direct retaliation: There are “Acts of God” like thunderstorms and solar flares and hurricanes and other weather threats. There are droughts that run the well dry and drop the depth of the local lake. And then are are “Acts of War”. Time to read the fine print on your house insurance policy, or the fine print in the War Powers Act or whatever is the name of Britain’s equivalent legislation and constitution.

    Reporters need some basic communication lessons: Be careful with the word “Leak”. It’s like that other 4-letter word “liar”. The former is a felony accusation if written about a person is current government employment. The latter is similarly egregariouss if directed to a person who just testified in court or before Congress. Situational ethics requires careful consideration of the wording to avoid inappropriate harm to a persons reputation and, most important, to properly inform the public with accurate descriptions of the quote being used in your reporter’s narrative.

    Speculation. Yes, that is a better explanation and description for the quotes of the British politician and later of the UNSW professor. Hey, I can do that too: Go to ANY decent computer professor at the local universities, they are ALL capable of “knowledgable speculation”. They know how a computer works, their research project or colleagues network might know some not-yet-published early results of new techniques. And they may enjoy playing the smarty pants techie, amused at how easy it is to get a reporter to swallow the most ridiculous hints and lines-of-thought. Allowed in casual conversation, possibly passed on by too-casual reporting without quality vetting and cross-checking, not allowed in the courtroom (“I Object”, declares the opposing attorney. “Sustained”, says Judge Gorsuch.) Allowed in the Court of Public Opinion, but let’s be careful with our words.

    The Russians did it! No, it was the British. Wait, it wasn’t a government: it was student experiment by some teenage Australians, in a modern day Mathew Broderick. Yeah, any of those. The U.S. did it? Maybe, but if so, what took us so dang long? It’s about time someone stepped up! Let’s just celebrate the failure, and enjoy being safe for another day. No need to speculate more. Looking to the future, and how to get through today, and the next day, and …
    oh, and remember to vote on May day. Check your local County Board of Election for potential special elections: tax levies, school district stuff, local rules.

    Have a great freedom day.


    Comment by Cornfed — April 20, 2017 @ 8:01 am

  2. FBI Used Bogus Trump Dossier To Get FISA Judge To Allow Spying On Team Trump


    The document itself was not central to the bureau’s argument before a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge that Page could have been acting as an agent of Russia, according to CNN.

    But the raw intelligence contained in the 35-page collection of memos — written by the former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, who spent 20 years spying for MI6 in Moscow — apparently helped the FBI convince the court that Page could be acting as an agent of a foreign power.

    This is the very opposition research that Hillary Clinton paid for… Just connect the dots and you understand that Hillary and her people attempted to fix the US general election like they did with the Democrat Primaries.

    REPORT: John Brennan Colluded With Foreign Spies to Falsify Trump-Russia Connections


    They investigated candidate Trump and then planted smears in the English press about it.


    Everyone involved needs to be prosecuted.

    Comment by dscott — April 20, 2017 @ 10:27 am

  3. CNN Confirms Judge Napolitano Was RIGHT About British Intelligence Spying on Team Trump


    Comment by dscott — April 20, 2017 @ 11:29 am

  4. #1, when a liberal uses the words “former”, “current”, “government” or “source” to bolster their narrative, it is called the Imprimatur Fallacy, the appeal to authority. It is one of the most oft used tool out of the liberal toolbox of false argumentation. Liberals love it most when they brag how smart they are…NOT!

    Quickly followed by assertions either unsupported or outright false.

    Next to that is the use of related or redefined terms to deceive the listener into drawing a conclusion that would not otherwise follow from the facts.

    Look for half truths to support the false assertion.

    Of course, omission of the facts is a given.

    Lying is an art, it’s beauty is only appreciated by those who tell them and those who make sport of ferreting them out. The game is always afoot. If you want to win the game, the default assumption is the liberal is lying, then pick through the half truths for the caveats.

    After years of dealing with liberals and their incessant lying, I have come to the conclusion that there is NO underlying ideology called liberalism hence they can never be accused of hypocrisy. Liberalism is nothing more than a narrative told to willing dupes (gullible and naive) by self enriching elites who use the narrative to cover for their own misdeeds. Behind every liberal narrative is a self enriching scheme, and the more self righteously they pronounce the narrative, the more grotesquely evil it’s hideous consequence is upon someone or something.

    Notice how absurdly liberals insist that the 2011 civil war in Syria is from Global Warming. Obama interfered in a civil war, spawned ISIS and now over 500,000 people are dead there and another 80,000 in Iraq. Why? He told you, Global Warming started it. How many thousands of birds are killed every year by wind generators? And what is the liberal answer to Global Warming, buying expensive alternate energy from their sponsors.

    You must be a racist if you don’t support illegal immigration. Never mind all the rapes, murders, molestations and thefts the citizenry must “absorb”. Because liberal elites must have a permanent voting block and cheap labor. Their power and wealth depend upon it.

    Comment by dscott — April 20, 2017 @ 2:06 pm

  5. CIA, FBI Admit it Wasn’t the Russians Who Leaked Docs to Wikileaks, Launch Manhunt For ‘Insider’


    I speculated here some time ago all this information came from inside the intelligence community, though my thought was more the NSA given the tools they have.

    They really should look at Snowden’s profile as a zealous lib believer, the person who leaked the info. is probably of the same mindset as Snowden.

    However, given the size of 800k document dump that Wikileaks claims, I doubt seriously that anyone walked out of CIA HQ with a briefcase full of thumbdrives to contain terabytes of data. I think this is more the gross incompetence of some genius manager who thought it was a good idea to store this stuff in the Cloud. How utterly stupid must they be to trust the security of the internet? Hubris is the flip side of incompetence. Given Brennan’s behavior, gross incompetence supported by demagoguic ideological blinders probably explains the whole mess.

    Comment by dscott — April 20, 2017 @ 2:42 pm

  6. I’d like to think someone will be held accountable for all of this. I don’t think it’s going to happen.

    Comment by Tom — April 20, 2017 @ 3:15 pm

  7. Number of people collecting unemployment checks hits 17-year low, jobless claims show


    So-called continuing jobless claims fell by 49,000 to 1.98 million, marking just the second time they’ve fallen below 2 million during the current eight-year-old economic expansion. Continuing claims also dipped below the 2 million mark in March.

    Check out the chart.

    So, how does this jibe with the Not in Laborforce #?

    Are we seeing the results of illegals packing their bags, increased total employment, increased part time employment or some combination thereof?

    Not in Labor Force Stat: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS15000000

    What I see is a leveling off of a multi-decade trend since the 1990s when illegal immigration started to pick up steam. Of the 24 million gained since 2000, I would expect a good chunk here are ready to go to work IF they are given a chance.

    Nonfarm employment and labor force date, not seasonally adjusted


    Taking these two together, it seems most of the unemployment drop is due to an increase of total employment of 1.7 million jobs since January 2017. There was a summer peak in June 2016 that is almost reached here in the March stats. If past is prologue, we should see another 2 million jobs (part time) by the summer peak in 2017. Looking at the bottom table a very robust hiring spree is underway.

    Comment by dscott — April 20, 2017 @ 4:52 pm

  8. While we are watching the effects of Trumponomics:


    watch the bottom of the table, monthly SNAP participation…

    Here is the graphic results of Obama’s incompetence:


    When we get down to 17 million SNAP participants, we will have erased the legacy of illegal immigration by Clinton, Bush and Obama.

    Comment by dscott — April 20, 2017 @ 5:14 pm

  9. Documenting Obama’s Domestic Spying Program.
    And yes it was a “program” as it was done on a regular basis through the methodical sifting of NSA data for a motive(s) other than National Security. In order to achieve even sporadic results one must with regularity engage in an act.

    Like the Communists, Obama conflated the State with the Party in his rationalization of using government power to benefit himself or his agenda.



    Investigative journalist Sharyl Attkisson has prepared an “Obama-era Surveillance Timeline.” It is a mixed bag, containing seemingly indefensible conduct by the Obama administration, but also conduct that I consider justified and proper (e.g., the prosecution of CIA leaker Jeffrey Sterling).

    It’s clear to me from the timeline, though, that the kinds of intelligence abuses we’re hearing about now did not begin when Team Obama became concerned about Donald Trump. Attkisson says that in April 2009, just a few months into the Obama presidency, “someone leak[ed] the unmasked name of Congresswoman Jane Harman to the press”

    This is criminal misconduct by leaking classified information, even unmasking a name is a security violation because it came from a classified document or file. Given Susan Rice’s revelations as a NSC member, this was done on authority by people like her. She wouldn’t have so blithely admitted her criminal misconduct on CNN IF this wasn’t rationalized as a routine matter that had gone on for years. Every member of Obama’s NSC needs to be investigated and prosecuted for unmasking names from NSA or CIA data gathering operations.

    Obama-era Surveillance Timeline


    Comment by dscott — April 21, 2017 @ 8:08 am

  10. That timeline, which I saw a couple of days ago, is awesome.

    Comment by Tom — April 21, 2017 @ 9:04 am

  11. Nice timeline. Especially good that someone in journalism finally noticed. Now if the rest of the ‘mainstream media’ would catch a clue…must be patient.

    The irony is typical: Like O’Reilly appearing with the pope amidst his scandals, the Obama Administration started with a self-declared ‘we will be transparent’ announcement: Words trying to set a narrative.

    Actions speak louder than words. The timeline of actions shows the true attitude behind the self-promotional image-making.

    Beginning to believe…accountability might be on the horizon….

    Comment by Cornfed — April 23, 2017 @ 8:03 am

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