September 18, 2017

Monday Off-Topic (Moderated) Open Thread (091817)

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  1. You won’t see this mentioned by the MSM, who will hold Hillary Clinton accountable for funding DOMESTIC TERRORISM?:

    EXPOSED: Hillary Clinton Moved 800K From Her Campaign To Help Fund ANTIFA

    Remember Antifa is labeled as a Domestic Terrorist organization by the DHS.

    Homeland Security Makes it Official: Antifa ‘Domestic Terrorists’

    Comment by dscott — September 18, 2017 @ 4:27 pm

  2. BTW- didn’t the View call Antifa a “conservative false flag operation”? So is Hillary a conservative for funding Domestic Terrorism OR once again did the feminist (liberal ladies auxiliary) just get exposed for lying or just being plain stupid???

    Comment by dscott — September 18, 2017 @ 4:32 pm

  3. In finally moving on from the Clintons, it’s been refreshing to ignore any headlines with her name on it and look to the future. Then this headline broke that pleasant streak. Infiltrating the fresh air of new life and new options is this headline:

    “Hillary Clinton’s Legacy Is Huge and Lasting
    Far from being a historical footnote, she’s a pathbreaking pioneer.
    September 14, 2017″

    Apparently this is not an aspirational essay but a reactive one, reacting to these two essays using these quotes:

    “Hillary Clinton is a footnote in history,” Glenn Thrush declared in Politico right after the election. “Clinton will forever be known as one of the worst closers in political history, a [politician] who was never capable of selling a wary public on herself, on account of her own shortcomings…”

    Note how I’ve replaced woman with politician in that quote because that IS the standard Hillary Clinton should be judged on. Her long resume, much touted by her party, was actually relatively short on accomplishments except as a figurehead: first as the ’2 for 1′ of her politician husband then as a mediocre Senator. (As much as I dislike Ted Kennedy, at least he was a master of passing legislation. Hillary was a seat warmer.)

    Oddly, historian H.W. Brands says he’ll write “only a tiny bit on Hillary Clinton” so he too is focused on the tactical of her candidany: “If I get into detail, I’ll say that the email questions, the FBI’s timing, feminist fatigue, and the like simply highlighted her central weakness.”

    Sadly, history will have to write about the Clintons, but hopefully that story arc will properly place them as the enablers to generational turning points: Mr. Clinton provided the reveal of the sickness in the “feminist” movement, ready to sacrifice young ones like Employee Lawinsky and Paula Brown to the alter of political power. Hillary then rode the larger arc of feminist power: the women’s network path in parallel and separate from the men’s network path. Her candidacy provided a unique opportunity to educate the newer Millennial and GenY generations on this sickness of Identity-coattails hiarchicical power-networks callously willing to crush merit, be openly hypocritical, and create and try to keep this stench of a Establishment Swamp.

    As a pro-Hillary author, Jeet Heer argues for Hillary’s place in historical. He (or she?) is right that the Clintons (they cannot be treated separately) are not historical footnotes. But Jeet misses the true larger narrative.

    Jeet’s narrative is still the same-old linear ‘pathbreaking’ and ‘glass ceiling’ story-line of identify politics. That storyline tries to implant the mindset that a person can only advance by following in the footsteps of those with OUTER CHARACTERISTICS like themselves, instead of inner strength and fortitude and skills and character.

    Here is Jeet’s description:

    “Hillary Clinton can properly be seen as deepening the revolution that McGovern started, making the Democrats the party committed to outright feminism. It’s one thing for a male candidate like McGovern to make the case for women’s rights, and quite another for a woman to run for the highest office in the land on openly feminist grounds—and win a major-party nomination. In her 2008 run, Clinton had been reluctant to emphasize her pathbreaking role.”

    If the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are too LEARN FROM THIS ELECTION, they must look past the old storylines of the Clinton-Bush-Trump age group. Politics by demographics — outer characteristics — is an old way of measuring. With GenX raised on the “Melting Pot” song of Schoolhouse Rock, the succeeding generations seeing multi-racial marriages and families as commonplace, there are many ready to move on to new conversations and social norms.

    We’ve had a lot of dialogue on Black civil rights, from the Reagan era 1990s mini-series Roots and Matthew Broderick leading black troops in the American Revolution through Muhammed Ali lighting the Olympic torch and then Will Smith as Ali in the movies through the recent Selma movie and “Glory” song, blacks might be in the final throes of the identity politics dialogue. The Confederate statues might be a closure piece of our reckoning with our history. (The police issue, imho, is a modern problem somewhat independent of the whole racial dialogue, as white trash and other groups also have issues with too much police power. The problems need to be talked about in that light, for true root-causes, instead of simplistic speechifying. Buried in the noise is a well-reasoned article on Ferugson politics, lots of little ordnances to fine the lower class for petty offenses as the revenue source of the city. But the media too often is being part of the foaming-the-mouth click-bait stuff instead of responsible information providers. But I digress…)

    The dialogue on women’s civil rights seems to be just beginning, with the Women’s Suffrage movie a year or so ago, now the Billie Jean King movie. These will be good opportunities to acknowledge where we were and how we’re finding ways to normals. Truer equal opportunity may become possible: judge the merit of skills rather than the gender.

    Hillary Clinton, in some ways, represents the worst of the glass ceiling women: a figurehead propped up by others, kept in her bubble so she didn’t realize how incompetent she truly was, how much others (for their own power purposes) used her to get what they wanted for themselves. Many ground breaking women truly earned their way, but too many of the more recent ones seem to be props of the Establishment power structures.

    True equality will not have Madeline Albright criticizing women with a lame ‘vote for the sisterhood’ meme. Mothers and sisters and daughters have husbands and brothers and sons.
    We are all in this together, finding our way.

    Young couples are finding creative ways to share the workload of raising families. Even Mark Zuckerberg is using 2 months (of the 4 allowed) of parental leave his company offers, setting an example for all working couples. And creating an interesting debate for all company benefit plans.

    The Clintons are not a footnote in history. But current historians are too close to the present to envision their true relevance: There are new movements attempting to be born, and a ‘changing of the guard’ away from the current Establishment and its swamp of storylines. History is not necessarily predictable linear storylines.
    It’s unclear what new twists and turns are occurring; I am only hopeful they will take us beyond the ick of the Clintons, beyond the stickiness of feminists or other identify politics. It’s the Economy Stupid, a gender-neutral and ever present issue. It’s our national safety, from lone wolf terrorists and crazy guys with nukes. There are bigger and important stories out there, and real problems the younger generations will overcome. That new dialogue deserves more air time; and may we stop talking about The Clintons except to remind ourselves of what we don’t want in our treatment of women.

    Comment by Cornfed — September 18, 2017 @ 9:04 pm

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