September 23, 2017

Saturday Off-Topic (Moderated) Open Thread (092317)

Filed under: Lucid Links — Tom @ 6:00 am

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  1. A very interesting read.

    How she lost

    An insiders view by Stanley Greenberg.

    I dismiss one of his few comments about Trump,

    Malpractice and arrogance contributed mightily to the election of Donald Trump and its profound threat to our democracy

    because the same could be said about Hillary Clinton. A case could be made that if she was elected, it could be a profound threat to our democracy.

    Comment by Par for the Course — September 23, 2017 @ 10:06 am

  2. This case looks like something worth watching.

    From Scotusblog.

    Thursday round-up
    By Edith Roberts
    on Sep 21, 2017 at 7:02 am
    At The Economist, Steven Mazie looks at Epic Systems v. Lewis and its two accompanying cases, in which the court will decide whether employment agreements that ban collective resolution of workplace disputes violate federal employment laws, noting that “[i]n a plot twist brought on by the executive branch’s ideological about-face on January 20th of this year, the solicitor general’s office filed an amicus brief backing the companies, … revers[ing] the office’s prior position from September 2016, an uncommon and awkward switcheroo that the justices typically frown upon.” In an op-ed for Newsweek, Ceilidh Gao contends that a ruling for the employers in Epic Systems would harm “individual workers [who] might not be owed much on an individual basis, making it difficult if not impossible for them to seek justice if they can’t join together with coworkers.”

    then more discussion links the next day, this time with Epic as the first case in the round-up instead of second-case, both ‘above the fold’ ie above the “continue reading” link.

    Friday round-up
    By Edith Roberts
    on Sep 22, 2017 at 7:28 am
    Bloomberg BNA’s Cases and Controversies podcast features a discussion of Epic Systems v. Lewis, in which the court will decide whether employment agreements that ban collective resolution of workplace disputes violate federal employment laws, calling the case “a major showdown between businesses and their workers and the increasing use of arbitration agreements in employment contracts.” In USA Today, Richard Wolf reports that the government’s recent “about-face” in Epic Systems “has created an extremely rare scenario: the Justice Department and National Labor Relations Board, a federal agency, will oppose each other in court”; he concludes that “[b]y all indications now, the case … looks like a 5-4 victory for employers.”

    Comment by Cornfed — September 23, 2017 @ 11:14 am

  3. John McCain continues to give us another ‘thank goodness we didn’t elect him president’.

    John McCain lied — he doesn’t really want to repeal Obamacare
    by Emily Jashinsky | Sep 22, 2017, 3:58 PM
    “It is not possible for Congress to pass a comprehensive bipartisan solution to healthcare reform. That much is incontrovertible.

    But in a statement announcing his opposition to the Graham-Cassidy legislation — one that signaled it was as good as dead — Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., argued bipartisanship was a necessary component to such efforts,…”

    No, bipartisanship when used by McCain is his dog-whistle to the mainstream media to invite him to more boost-my-ego interviews. Interviews where biased reporters (prediction here, we’ll see on Sunday) encourage/goad/take-glee-in McCain as a so-called GOP then bashing both Trump and the true-Republican legislators. To McCain, GOP really means ‘all about me’.

    After the election and I think it was already after the inauguration, McCain bashed Trump oversees even!, and I think it was on foreign policy even! What happened to being American!

    Take foreign policy debates within the USA territory since your audience should be We The People.

    But overseas, be American. Support whatever our troops are tasked to do, what our Ambassodors are attempting to negotiate on our (thats US, the Peoples and Countries Ambassadors!) behave. Although they were selected by the Executive Branch, the represent all of us, our Country. They are the Ambassadors for the United States of America. They are not Mr. Trump’s personal representatives (those are his unelected kids, which is another discussion). They are OUR ambassodors, and deserve our support for their security, their attempt to advocate our policy, etc.

    Congress can pass ‘sense of the Senate’ as such legislation, and foreign trips could potentially discuss that interpretation related to Executive Branch actions.

    But McCain potentially deserves a recall. Will watch what the good citizens of AZ think of his latest pronouncement.

    Comment by Cornfed — September 23, 2017 @ 11:28 am

  4. Cornfed, McCain might have been worse for US than Schwarzenegger was for California. Don’t think Palin could have stopped him from being so stupid. OTOH, he would have consolidated the victory in Iraq, he wouldn’t have glommed on to the stupid Iran deal. He probably would have sold out on global warming, and he would have done nothing to rein in the welfare state. Wouldn’t have been worse than Obama, but he would have denigrated the GOP brand, and Dems would still probably control the House and Senate.

    Comment by Tom — September 23, 2017 @ 4:04 pm

  5. Cornfed, re the court case — pass the popcorn. The NLRB is out of control. It would be hoot to see them lose this one.

    Comment by Tom — September 23, 2017 @ 4:06 pm

  6. More proof arrives almost daily that we are beyond lucky that Hillary lost.

    Comment by Tom — September 23, 2017 @ 4:12 pm

  7. “Wouldn’t have been worse than Obama, but he would have denigrated the GOP brand, and Dems would still probably control the House and Senate.”

    Yes, thanks for understanding.

    Comment by Cornfed — September 24, 2017 @ 9:39 am

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