February 22, 2019

Friday (Moderated) Open Thread (022219)

Filed under: Lucid Links — Tom @ 6:00 am

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  1. Source links for analysis:

    Trump’s Presidential Proclamation:
    THEN search keywords
    “proclamation of national emergency”
    THEN first link, Feb15, 2019
    “…a National Emergency concerning the Southern Border of the United States [of the Americas]”
    Pg1 has Fact-finding
    Pg2 lists source of his Authority as
    (a) vested in me by the Constitution [without specifying which Article(s) or subsections
    (b) and the laws of the U.S.A. including
    the Natl Emergencies Act, Secs 201 & 301
    (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)

    Pg2 continues with ‘Then to this and that’ results of the Fact-Finding and Authority analysis.
    – The joint resolution written by Rep Casto of Texas is apparently disputing the Fact-Finding. Dumb. You don’t get to choose your own facts; only the decision what to do about the facts on the ground. Such a lame move by the House so-called leadership.
    of greater core interests, Is this habit of proclamations to declare Natl Emergencies actually Constitutional? Or is it just more of a piece of the dodging responsibility to participate in actual decision making by our supposed Representation in Congress? If Congress only challenges the Fact-Finding, then that should be a ‘Sense of the Congress’ type of Resolution. To lead to a result to “terminate” the Presidential Proclamation, Castro’s bill is in error because it does not challenge the “authority vested in me” elements of President Trump’s proclamation.

    The beginnings of research on IF there is a basis to challenge the authority invoked by President Trump’s 15Feb proclamation is of more significant debate and long-term meaningful value. The Libertarians are discussing core issues (while other sites, so far, are apparently discussing fluff aka bureaucratic power-keeping word-games instead of core principles). Here’s a website to start some serious thinking about our Southern Border problems.

    OpEd gets back to first principles, i.e. Is the Natl Emergencies Act even constitutional?

    Comment by Cornfed — February 22, 2019 @ 6:40 am

  2. in·cum·bentDictionary result for incumbent
    necessary for (someone) as a duty or responsibility.
    “it is incumbent on all decent people to concentrate on destroying this evil”
    synonyms: binding, obligatory, mandatory, necessary, compulsory, required, requisite, essential, imperative
    “it is incumbent on the government to give a clear lead”

    and General Washington,
    “Thus much, gentlemen, I have thought it incumbent on me to observe to you, to show upon what principles I opposed the irregular and hasty meeting which was proposed to have been held…”

    Such care with their words, back then. Dainty and dignified; not pretentious and over-bearing; simply ladies and gentlemen of distinction, showing the dignity and honor that earned them their Nation’s respect, and earned followership.

    Comment by Cornfed — February 22, 2019 @ 9:46 am

  3. By the blogger:
    “After reading a portion of the letter with his eyes squinting at the small writing, Washington suddenly stopped. His officers stared at him, wondering. [He] then reached into his coat pocket and took out a pair of reading glasses. Few of them knew he wore glasses, and were surprised.

    “Gentlemen,” said Washington, “you will permit me to put on my spectacles, ….”

    Commenter’s update:
    In that moment of utter vulnerability, the crowd of angry men stirred, and shifted their feet in thought, and were deeply moved, even shamed. Many were quickly in tears, now looking with great affection at this aging man who had led them through so much. Washington read the remainder of the letter, then left without saying another word, realizing their sentiments.

    …. Thus, the civilian government was preserved and the young experiment of democracy in America continued.

    Comment by Cornfed — February 22, 2019 @ 10:00 am

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