of Juanita Broaddrick's Interview on Dateline
24 Feb 1999
LAST WEEK, as NBC News continued its
investigation, Jane Doe Number 5 went public with her
extraordinary allegation --
that she was sexually
assaulted by Bill Clinton 21 years ago. To some this is an
old and unprovable accusation that should never have been
circulated to begin with. To others it's a story that must
be told. Is she to be believed? Or is Jane Doe Number 5 the
latest weapon in a relentless political war against Bill
Juanita Broaddrick: "It's
important to me to tell what happened. I don't know how
people are going to take this. I don't know what they're
going to think after all these years and months why I've
Jane Doe Number 5 is 56-year-old
Juanita Broaddrick, a successful businesswoman who has been
the subject of intense political and media speculation.
Rumors about Broaddrick's story have been floating around
Arkansas and Washington for years, known to both Clinton
haters and supporters.
Broaddrick was pulled into the
Paula Jones case, she met with investigators for the House
Judiciary Committee and was interviewed by Ken Starr's
investigators. And though what she told Starr remains sealed
it was seen by 40 members of Congress before the impeachment
vote in the House. Later House Republican Whip Tom Delay
publicly urged senators to find out what Jane Doe Number 5
had to say before deciding the fate of the president.
As the whispers about her grew,
Broaddrick found herself hounded by the media --
and she says she was
the subject of gossip and half truths on the Internet and in
Juanita Broaddrick: "All
these stories are floating around. Different stories of what
really happened, of what people think happened and I was
tired of everybody putting their own spin on it."
The Broaddrick story became
public last week, and since then her story has appeared in
print, on radio and TV. But much
of what you may have read or heard is incomplete. While NBC
News was investigating this story and seeking comment from
the White House, our work became the subject of much
speculation. Tonight, you'll see what we were able to learn
and you'll hear from Juanita Broaddrick herself --
a woman who remained
silent for two decades and who admits she has lied under
oath about this story in the past but now says she wants to
tell the truth.
Juanita Broaddrick's story begins
in 1978 --
she was a registered
nurse who had started her own nursing home in Van Buren,
Bill Clinton was the state
attorney general who was running for governor:
Juanita Broaddrick: "I
thought he was just something that was gonna be really good
for Arkansas. Thought he was a very charismatic man, that
had bright ideas for our state
I just really liked
Broaddrick, whose married name at
the time was Juanita Hickey, says she was so impressed with
Clinton she volunteered to hand out bumper stickers and
her first and only
political campaign. Broaddrick says she met Clinton for the
first time when he made a campaign stop at her nursing home
in the spring of 1978.
Juanita Broaddrick: "While
he was there visiting, he said 'If you're ever in the, ah
you know, Little Rock area, please drop by our campaign
office,' and he said 'be sure to call me when you come in
and call down to the campaign office.'"
Broaddrick says not long after
that conversation she did go to Little Rock for a nursing
home meeting held at the Camelot Hotel --
now the Doubletree.
She says she checked into the hotel and the next morning
called Clinton campaign headquarters. She says she was told
Clinton was at his apartment and to call him there.
Juanita Broaddrick: "I did
call and ask him if he was gonna be at the headquarters that
day and he said no he didn't plan to be there. He says,
Clinton said, 'Why don't I just meet you for coffee in the
Camelot coffee shop?'"
But Broaddrick says Clinton
called later --
she thinks it was
around 9 in the morning --
and asked if they
could meet in her hotel room because there were reporters in
the coffee shop.
Lisa Myers: "Did you think
his interest in you at the time was personal or
Juanita Broaddrick: "I
thought it was professional, completely."
Myers: "So you thought
this was going to be a business meeting?"
Broaddrick: "Yes I did, I
Myers: "Did you have
qualms at all about him coming to the room?"
Broaddrick: "I was a
little bit uneasy. But, I felt, ah, a real friendship toward
this man and I didn't really feel any, um any danger in him
coming to my room. I sort of ushered us over to the coffee
I had coffee sitting
on a little table over there by the window and it was a real
pretty window view that looked down at the river. And he
came around me and sort of put his arm over my shoulder to
point to this little building and he said he was real
interested if he became governor to restore that little
building and then all of a sudden, he turned me around and
started kissing me. And that was a real shock."
Myers: "What did you
Broaddrick: "I first
pushed him away and just told him 'No, please don't do
that," and I forget, it's been 21 years, Lisa, and I forget
exactly what he was saying. It seems like he was making
statements that would relate to 'Did you not know why I was
coming up here?' and I told him at the time, I said, 'I'm
married, and I have other things going on in my life, and
this is something that I'm not interested in.'"
Myers: "Had you, that
morning, or any other time, given him any reason to believe
you might be receptive?"
Broaddrick: "No. None.
Myers: "Then what
Broaddrick: "Then he tries
to kiss me again. And the second time he tries to kiss me he
starts biting my lip (she cries). Just a minute... He starts
to, um, bite on my top lip and I tried to pull away from
him. (crying) And then he forces me down on the bed. And I
just was very frightened, and I tried to get away from him
and I told him 'No,' that I didn't want this to happen
(crying) but he wouldn't listen to me."
Myers: "Did you resist,
did you tell him to stop?"
Broaddrick: "Yes, I told
him 'Please don't.' He was such a different person at that
moment, he was just a vicious awful person."
Myers: "You said there was
a point at which you stopped resisting?"
Broaddrick: "It was a real
panicky, panicky situation. I was even to the point where I
was getting very noisy, you know, yelling to 'Please stop.'
And that's when he pressed down on my right shoulder and he
would bite my lip."
Broaddrick also says the waist of
her skirt and her pantyhose were torn.
Juanita Broaddrick: "When
everything was over with, he got up and straightened
himself, and I was crying at the moment and he walks to the
door, and calmly puts on his sunglasses. And before he goes
out the door he says 'You better get some ice on that.' And
he turned and went out the door."
Myers: "On your lip?"
Broaddrick estimates Clinton was
in her room less than 30 minutes.
Myers: "Is there any way
at all that Bill Clinton could have thought that this was
Broaddrick: "No. Not with
what I told him, and with how I tried to push him away. It
was not consensual."
Myers: "You're saying that
Bill Clinton sexually assaulted you, that he raped you."
Myers: "And there is no
doubt in your mind that that's what happened?"
Broaddrick: "No doubt
While the president and his
lawyer declined to be interviewed on camera, through his
lawyer the president did issue a statement saying any
allegation he assaulted Broaddrick is "absolutely false" and
when asked about it Wednesday the president said he had
nothing to add to that statement.
It's important to note --
that aside from her,
there are no witnesses and as far as we know, no one saw
Clinton enter or leave Broaddrick's room, or even the hotel.
She took no photos, kept no evidence and the hotel has no
records to confirm that she stayed there. However,
Broaddrick does have a friend who backs up her story.
Norma Kelsey did not want to be
interviewed on camera. However she told us she did accompany
Broaddrick on that business trip to Little Rock --
they even shared a
hotel room. Norma says when she left that morning Broaddrick
told her she was planning to see Clinton. But Norma says
when she called around lunchtime, Broaddrick was upset and
crying so she returned to the room.
Juanita Broaddrick: "Well,
I was very emotional within an hour or so after it happened
and then by the time Norma got back my whole top lip was
turned out, was very swollen and very ugly looking."
Norma also says that Broaddrick's
lip and mouth were badly swollen, that her pantyhose had
been ripped off and she says Broaddrick told her she had
been sexually assaulted by Clinton.
Myers: "Did you feel any
Broaddrick: "Of course. I
felt, I felt, just the whole thing you can imagine of being
violated. I felt, of course there was pain."
Myers: "Did you consider
going to a doctor?"
Broaddrick: "No. Not at
all. I just wanted to get home. I just, ah, I wanted it to
all go away. I wanted to just walk outta there and forget
that it had never happened, because I felt very responsible
that I had allowed him to come to my room."
Broaddrick says she decided to
leave the hotel immediately without going to the nursing
home meeting. She says after Norma helped ice her lip, the
two of them left Little Rock and drove more than two hours
back to Van Buren.
Juanita Broaddrick: "We
were still in shock, Lisa, over what had happened
was like this is a horrible thing and I'm gonna wake up in a
minute and this is not going to be true."
Norma told us on the drive back,
Broaddrick was very, very upset and in shock and says
Broaddrick blamed herself for letting Clinton in her room.
And Broaddrick says she never considered going to the police
Clinton was the Arkansas attorney general at the time.
Myers: "The question
everyone is going to ask is 'Juanita, why didn't you report
this 21 years ago?'"
Broaddrick: "I didn't
think anyone would believe me in the world."
If Juanita Broaddrick ever wanted
to press charges against Bill Clinton, it's too late. The
statute of limitations in Arkansas is six years.
If something did happen in that
hotel room, who else knew about it? NBC News spent four
weeks trying to confirm as many details as possible.
Lisa Myers: "Did you tell
your husband when you got home?"
Juanita Broaddrick: "No,
my husband never knew."
Juanita Broaddrick says that at
the time of the alleged sexual assault her marriage was on
the rocks. She says she never told her husband, Gary Hickey,
about the alleged incident and told him the swollen lip was
the result of an accident. Hickey tells NBC News he doesn't
recall either the injury or her explanation. At the time,
she was having an affair with the man who would become her
second husband --
David Broaddrick --
to whom she's been
married 18 years. She says she saw David and told him what
happened soon after she returned home.
Myers: "Did she have any
David Broaddrick: "Yes.
She, uh, her top lip was black."
Myers: "As best you can
remember, what did she tell you?"
David Broaddrick: "Uh,
like I said, I don't remember the words but that she had
been raped by Bill Clinton."
Myers: "Other than her
lip, did she have any injuries?"
David Broaddrick: "Just
mentally she was in bad shape."
Juanita Broaddrick also says her
affair with David made her even more reluctant to report the
Juanita Broaddrick: "I
don't think I would have been real honorable back then in
the 70s to have been married and having this affair. I just
didn't think anyone would have believed me."
So who else did Broaddrick talk
Three of her friends tell NBC
News she told them about the alleged incident at the time:
Susan Lewis: "It was very
traumatic for her."
Myers: "Did you urge her
to report it?"
Louise Ma: "No."
Myers: "Why not?"
Louise Ma: "Because women
were made victims at the time. And you know what the courts
were like in that time period. It was always the woman's
And Jean Darden, the sister of
Norma Kelsey, the woman who says she saw Juanita at the
hotel. Both admit they have a serious reason not to like
Bill Clinton --
in 1981 as governor,
Clinton commuted the life sentence of their father's killer,
making him eligible for parole.
The stories her friends tell from
20 years ago are consistent --
and Broaddrick herself
says she recalls many details. For instance, the outfit she
was wearing, the hotel room furnishings, and the time of
spring. However, there
is one important thing she does not remember --
when the alleged
incident happened: not the date, not even the month.
Lisa Myers: "Some people
would say, how can you not remember the specific date of an
event as traumatic as this?"
Juanita Broaddrick: "I
really don't have an answer for that except to say I
remember the approximate time of year. I probably should
remember the date, although it's something I wanted to
So NBC News tried to figure out
the date of the alleged assault. Broaddrick gave us access
to all the business and personal records she says she could
find. We also checked public records, nursing home records
and convention schedules.
And indeed there was a nursing
home meeting at the Camelot Hotel in Little Rock on April
25, 1978. Further, state records show Broaddrick got credit
for a nursing home seminar that was held that day, April
So was Bill Clinton even in
Little Rock on April 25, 1978? Despite our repeated
requests, the White House would not answer that question and
declined to release any information about his schedule.
So we checked 45 Arkansas
newspapers and talked to a dozen former Clinton staffers. We
found no evidence that Clinton had any public appearances on
the morning in question. Articles in Arkansas newspapers
suggest he was in Little Rock that day.
And remember the little building
Broaddrick says Clinton pointed to just before the alleged
assault in the hotel room? We checked that too, and in fact
the Pulaski County jail was visible from rooms facing the
river. It has since been demolished.
But what happened after the
alleged assault? It turns out, just three weeks later
Broaddrick actually attended a Clinton fundraiser with her
Myers: "Some people would
wonder why you would go to a fundraiser for someone who you
say sexually assaulted you. Couldn't you have said you were
sick or gotten out of it?"
Broaddrick: "I think I was
still in denial that time exactly what had happened to me. I
still felt very guilty at that time that it was my fault. By
letting him come to the room I had given him the wrong idea
and just shut up and accept your punishment and don't ever
do it again."
Broaddrick also told us Clinton
called her a half dozen times at the nursing home. She says
he got through once and asked her when she was coming back
to Little Rock. Her response, she says, "I'm not."
Then in 1979, a year after the
alleged assault, Broaddrick was named by Clinton to a
non-paying position on a state advisory board.
Myers: "Did you have
reservations about accepting any appointment by Governor
Broaddrick: "Yes, but I
had more or less said to the association that I would do
this before I knew it was a governor appointing job. When I
agreed to do it I had no idea it was an appointment."
Over the years, Broaddrick said
she had business dealings with the governor's office but not
Clinton personally. In 1984, she received a letter signed by
Clinton after her nursing home was named one of the state's
best facilities. At the bottom, there is a handwritten note
that says, "I admire you very much." A routine political
thank you? She interprets it as a thank you for her
In 1990, Clinton honored one of
the patients at the nursing home, but Broaddrick says she
wasn't there, and didn't learn of the visit until after the
Broaddrick says she had no
face-to-face contact with Clinton until 1991, when she
attended a meeting in Little Rock with two friends. They all
say it was a nursing home meeting --
but none can remember
the date, nor do they have any records --
so we can't confirm
Broaddrick does remember that she
was suddenly called out of the meeting, and, she says, to
her surprise, there was Bill Clinton in the hallway. One
friend says she saw them talking:
Broaddrick: "And he
immediately began this profuse apology, saying, 'Juanita,
I'm so sorry for what I did. I'm not the man that I used to
be, can you ever forgive me? What can I do to make this up
to you?' And I'm standing there in absolute shock. And I
told him to go to hell, and I walked off."
But Broaddrick remained silent
when she learned soon after that Clinton was making a bid
for the Oval Office.
Myers: "Here the man is
running for president, doesn't the country have a right to
Broaddrick: "Yes, and
that's what I got to thinking about --
David and I talked
about it. We talked about it, and I cried about it. It
brought up a lot of hurt, and a lot of things that I'd
buried years ago. And then we just decided it wouldn't be in
our best interest to do it. So we decided not to."
In fact, Clinton's political
opponents say she rebuffed their efforts to get her to come
forward before the 1992 election. After she turned them
down, one of the men suggested she had been paid off.
Myers: "Did you receive
any payoff to stay silent?"
Broaddrick: "Oh goodness,
no. I mean how could anyone be bribed or paid-off for, for
something that, to not say anything about something that
Myers: "Did Bill Clinton
or anyone near him ever threaten you, try to intimidate you,
do anything to keep you silent?"
Myers: "This has been
strictly your choice."
Broaddrick says she was
determined to keep the incident quiet.
But in 1997, her hand was forced
when she was subpoenaed by Paula Jones' lawyers.
She filed an affidavit in that
under oath as Jane Doe
denying any "unwelcome
sexual advances" by Clinton. She said "These allegations are
untrue," and "there is no truth to the rumors."
Broaddrick: "I didn't want
to be forced to testify about one of the most horrific
events in my life. I didn't want to go through it
She later told the same story,
denying the assault, in a sworn deposition in the Jones
Myers: "Last March another
woman comes forward, Kathleen Willey, accuses the president
of unwanted sexual advances --
why didn't you come
Broaddrick: "Well Lisa, I
would get up in the morning and I would think: it's the
thing to do. Then by nighttime I would think that could
bring no good whatsoever to my life. And I'm sorry for these
women. I'm sorry for what they went through, but I just
wasn't brave enough to do it. There's nothing else to
But she changed her mind and
changed her story, when Independent Counsel Ken Starr's
office approached her last April --
wrong-doing in the Jones case.
Broaddrick says she feared lying
to a federal grand jury, and once Starr granted her immunity
from prosecution for perjury --
she agreed to come
forward with details of her allegations against Clinton.
But Starr did not pursue the
allegations further because he was investigating obstruction
of justice charges against the president. Broaddrick never
alleged any obstruction --
said the president
never urged her to lie --
so Starr didn't pursue
the allegations any further.
Finally, after months of contact
with us, Broadderick decided to speak to NBC News, on Jan.
20, in the middle of the Senate impeachment trial.
Myers: "Then why now
emotional) "I just couldn't hold it in any longer. I didn't
want [my] granddaughters and nieces, when they're 21
years old to turn to me and say, 'Why didn't you tell what
this man did to you?'"
We repeatedly asked the White
House what it knew about Juanita Broaddrick --
about her character or
possible motivation. We got no response.
We checked with local and federal
law enforcement officials, who told us she's a solid citizen
with no criminal record and that they take her allegations
Broaddrick knows that some people
have suggested her injuries 21 years ago were inflicted not
by Clinton, but by her first husband, Gary Hickey.
Divorce papers obtained by NBC
News show that one year after the alleged assault by
Clinton, Juanita and Hickey had an altercation. She says
Hickey struck her in the mouth. He told NBC News it was an
accident. Broaddrick says that is the only time her husband
hit her, and there are no records of any earlier
Could Broaddrick have a financial
is she hoping to cash
in? She says she and her husband are financially
comfortable, have turned down any offer to tell her story
for money, and have no plans for anything else.
Myers: "No book deal?"
Broaddrick: "No book
Myers: "No lawsuit?
not. I don't want to sue Bill Clinton and I do not want to
write a book."
Finally, did Broaddrick have any
other motivation for going public now with her allegations?
Were politics behind the decision? Broaddrick's personal
attorney is a Republican state senator in Arkansas, but he
says he did not know she decided to go public until she
talked to NBC. Broaddrick says she is not registered with
any political party --
and the Broadrricks
say they have donated money to both Republican and
NBC Dateline 1999
Myers: "What is the
purpose? Do you want to destroy the president?"
Broaddrick: "No, I don't
want to do anything. I do not have an agenda. I want to put
all these rumors to rest. I buried this a long time ago,
Lisa, and the only thing I'm trying to do now is clear up
all these stories."
But after all this time, how does
Juanita Broaddrick feel about Bill Clinton?
Broaddrick: "I couldn't
say it on the air. My hatred for him is overwhelming."
Overwhelming enough to invent a
story, to distort a memory, all to destroy a presidency?
Absolutely not, she says.
Myers: "Twenty years after
it happened, having never reported it to authorities, after
signing an affidavit denying anything ever happened, now you
come forward. You understand how skeptical people may
Broaddrick: "Certainly I
can. But I was also afraid what would happen to me if I came
forward. I was afraid that I would be destroyed like so many
of the other women have been."
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