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The News We (CNN) Kept To Ourselves [must read]
The New York Times ^ | 04/11/03 | EASON JORDAN

Posted on 04/10/2003 9:16:06 PM PDT by Pokey78

ATLANTA — Over the last dozen years I made 13 trips to Baghdad to lobby the government to keep CNN's Baghdad bureau open and to arrange interviews with Iraqi leaders. Each time I visited, I became more distressed by what I saw and heard — awful things that could not be reported because doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly those on our Baghdad staff.

For example, in the mid-1990's one of our Iraqi cameramen was abducted. For weeks he was beaten and subjected to electroshock torture in the basement of a secret police headquarters because he refused to confirm the government's ludicrous suspicion that I was the Central Intelligence Agency's Iraq station chief. CNN had been in Baghdad long enough to know that telling the world about the torture of one of its employees would almost certainly have gotten him killed and put his family and co-workers at grave risk.

Working for a foreign news organization provided Iraqi citizens no protection. The secret police terrorized Iraqis working for international press services who were courageous enough to try to provide accurate reporting. Some vanished, never to be heard from again. Others disappeared and then surfaced later with whispered tales of being hauled off and tortured in unimaginable ways. Obviously, other news organizations were in the same bind we were when it came to reporting on their own workers.

We also had to worry that our reporting might endanger Iraqis not on our payroll. I knew that CNN could not report that Saddam Hussein's eldest son, Uday, told me in 1995 that he intended to assassinate two of his brothers-in-law who had defected and also the man giving them asylum, King Hussein of Jordan. If we had gone with the story, I was sure he would have responded by killing the Iraqi translator who was the only other participant in the meeting. After all, secret police thugs brutalized even senior officials of the Information Ministry, just to keep them in line (one such official has long been missing all his fingernails).

Still, I felt I had a moral obligation to warn Jordan's monarch, and I did so the next day. King Hussein dismissed the threat as a madman's rant. A few months later Uday lured the brothers-in-law back to Baghdad; they were soon killed.

I came to know several Iraqi officials well enough that they confided in me that Saddam Hussein was a maniac who had to be removed. One Foreign Ministry officer told me of a colleague who, finding out his brother had been executed by the regime, was forced, as a test of loyalty, to write a letter of congratulations on the act to Saddam Hussein. An aide to Uday once told me why he had no front teeth: henchmen had ripped them out with pliers and told him never to wear dentures, so he would always remember the price to be paid for upsetting his boss. Again, we could not broadcast anything these men said to us.

Last December, when I told Information Minister Muhammad Said al-Sahhaf that we intended to send reporters to Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq, he warned me they would "suffer the severest possible consequences." CNN went ahead, and in March, Kurdish officials presented us with evidence that they had thwarted an armed attack on our quarters in Erbil. This included videotaped confessions of two men identifying themselves as Iraqi intelligence agents who said their bosses in Baghdad told them the hotel actually housed C.I.A. and Israeli agents. The Kurds offered to let us interview the suspects on camera, but we refused, for fear of endangering our staff in Baghdad.

Then there were the events that were not unreported but that nonetheless still haunt me. A 31-year-old Kuwaiti woman, Asrar Qabandi, was captured by Iraqi secret police occupying her country in 1990 for "crimes," one of which included speaking with CNN on the phone. They beat her daily for two months, forcing her father to watch. In January 1991, on the eve of the American-led offensive, they smashed her skull and tore her body apart limb by limb. A plastic bag containing her body parts was left on the doorstep of her family's home.

I felt awful having these stories bottled up inside me. Now that Saddam Hussein's regime is gone, I suspect we will hear many, many more gut-wrenching tales from Iraqis about the decades of torment. At last, these stories can be told freely.

Eason Jordan is chief news executive at CNN.


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1 posted on 04/10/2003 9:16:06 PM PDT by Pokey78
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2 posted on 04/10/2003 9:18:32 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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3 posted on 04/10/2003 9:20:11 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Pokey78
I knew it was BS when he said they were accused of being CIA. KGB yes, CIA no way in hell.
4 posted on 04/10/2003 9:20:16 PM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: Pokey78
I wonder if Judy Woodruff knows all this.

Or cares.
5 posted on 04/10/2003 9:20:19 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Pokey78
I accuse CNN of being complicit in the torture of these people by cooperating with Iraqi authorities just so they could get a camera into Iraq.

It is too late too come clean. They are as guilty as the regime if they knew this was happening and still prostrated themselves just to get a story.

6 posted on 04/10/2003 9:21:16 PM PDT by Henk
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To: Pokey78
"Each time I visited, I became more distressed by what I saw and heard — awful things that could not be reported because doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly those on our Baghdad staff."

Bull! I believe these stories were withheld because CNN feared Iraq would have them removed from the country. Whatever the case, I hope that CNN has a severe case of the guilts right now because they were effectively allowing this regime to continue unreported.

7 posted on 04/10/2003 9:21:35 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Pokey78
And those bastards at CNN dared question whether we should let the weapons inspectors end the standoff. This makes me sick.
8 posted on 04/10/2003 9:21:56 PM PDT by gunnut
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To: Pokey78
And this from CNN . . . the bastards . . . and even if you buy into CNN's rationale for not going public, how could they still attempt in every way possible to undermine our political will to crush Saddam . . . sickos and bastards . . . CNN and Saddam both . . .
9 posted on 04/10/2003 9:22:41 PM PDT by LikeLight
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To: CatOwner
CNN was complicit in this regime's power. CNN was more interested in keeping a bureau open in Baghdad than telling the truth.

That should give us all pause, when we feel forgiving towards the media whores.

10 posted on 04/10/2003 9:23:07 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: Pokey78
OK< Hollywood....tell me this is just ok with you. That we should look the other way. That this is someone else's problem...go ahead susan siranwrap...timmy boobins, you tell me that this is fine, you gutless wonders.
11 posted on 04/10/2003 9:23:17 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: Henk
I hardly know what to make of this; I couldn't begin to express what I'm feeling right now.
12 posted on 04/10/2003 9:23:59 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Pokey78
So why is CNN relieving themselves of a long kept secret to the NYTimes? Why not report it on CNN, LIVE?
13 posted on 04/10/2003 9:24:21 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Pokey78
By failing to tell any of these stories CNN possibly could have contributed to the Hussein regime enduring and those abuses continuing.

Those stories coming from CNN would likely have had a major impact on the anti-war crowd.

Fortunately, it ended up not mattering.

They should have withdrawn totally from Iraq rather than stay and keep their mouths shut.

It's an interesting debate in journalistic ethics. I see Jordan's point, but I disagree with it.
14 posted on 04/10/2003 9:24:30 PM PDT by John H K
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To: Carolina; 1Mike; 3catsanadog; ~Kim4VRWC's~; A CA Guy; A Citizen Reporter; abner; Aeronaut; ...
Do not FAIL to read this article.
15 posted on 04/10/2003 9:24:37 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: dogbyte12
I hate to say this, but turn on CNN right now. You won't believe your eyes.
16 posted on 04/10/2003 9:25:50 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Howlin
The Saddam regime corrupted, maimed, or killed everything it touched--from abstract truth, to flesh and blood, to everything in between.

Yet another reason to rejoice in the toppling of Saddam.

17 posted on 04/10/2003 9:27:26 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Pokey78
I guess to some of these a--holes, the story is more impt. than a life!

For some reason, CNN is more of an appeaser and has aided and abetted for much too long!

If my cameraman and my employees were dying and being tortured, THAT is the story!! What in the hell is a more impt. story that they were working on? My God!
18 posted on 04/10/2003 9:27:43 PM PDT by whadizit
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To: Pokey78
CNN had been in Baghdad long enough to know that telling the world about the torture of one of its employees would almost certainly have gotten him killed and put his family and co-workers at grave risk

This Dreckspass (german word), this idiot enabler of Clinton and and his ilk, this week-kneed scum does not deserve the Freedom that our Founding Fathers pledged their sacred honor for. Sacred honor - this gerbil of the demoronic debauched wouldn't know sacred honor if he were standing under Sadam's statue when it fell on him. They are willing to claim that Westmoreland gassed innocents when he didn't, but they refrain from informing on Sadam when he did.

When I watched CNN I would curse and scream and throw things at the screen. Now I will just turn it off, and sit in stunned silence with the knowledge of that the blood of millions is on their hands - and on the hands of Ted Turner and Jane Fonda. And may God have mercy on their souls.

19 posted on 04/10/2003 9:28:40 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Howlin
Is that what I think it is, surrendering Iraqi soldiers?
20 posted on 04/10/2003 9:29:41 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Kevin Curry
I am really struggling with my feelings about the reporters in Iraq who were NOT embedded.

I have this vision of them being "hotel jockeys," letting everybody else do the work.

Plus, I just found out that they had to pay CASH -- by the day -- just so they could report and attend the press briefings.

Why don't they COME CLEAN with that stuff? It's clearly making them unreliable reporters.

I am waiting to see what happens when the embeds get back and they can tell the truth.
21 posted on 04/10/2003 9:30:06 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Pokey78
Yeah, real brave when saving their own sorry a$$es.

I'm sure he'd have sat and watched million of Jews thrown into ovens.

Some objectivity!
22 posted on 04/10/2003 9:30:46 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Victory in Iraq!)
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To: alnick
That's what they are saying.

They are walking south, away from N. Iraq; a lot of them are from South Iraq.

They said that their "commanders" took their ID.

Hmmm.
23 posted on 04/10/2003 9:31:10 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Howlin
I hate to say this, but turn on CNN right now. You won't believe your eyes.

Can you elighten us cube-bound? (Don't have aTV at home either.)

24 posted on 04/10/2003 9:31:33 PM PDT by clamboat
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To: Howlin
When Jihad Johnny comes marching home ?...
25 posted on 04/10/2003 9:31:59 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Plus de fromage, s'il vous plait...)
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To: Pokey78
OK, well, I'll post this again:

I posted this on the Command Post blog:

This pretty much gives the lie to the "brave journalists in Baghdad to bring the world the truth" claim. In fact, CNN now admits that A) they have routinely suppressed the hideous truth about the Baghdad regime precisely because there were CNN people in Iraq, and B) their presence routinely got Iraqis tortured and killed.

One wonders why they were willing to risk Iraqi lives and prostitute themselves to Saddam's regime just to be able to say, "We have people in Baghdad."

I wish I could believe they would engage in some soul-searching about this, but their arrogance and self-righteousness is such that I cannot imagine it happening.

American journalism is a cesspool.

26 posted on 04/10/2003 9:32:33 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: Pokey78
Rush said stories like this would come out as soon as the war was over. This fascist regime was worse than the Nazis, the KGB, and the IRS combined. It's no wonder that the Iraqis cheered when the bombs started falling.
27 posted on 04/10/2003 9:32:45 PM PDT by Maurice Tift
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To: whadizit
I guess to some of these a--holes, the story is more impt. than a life!

But if they did tell some of the stories the fear was that more lives would be lost. If Saddam could control our media in this way - with fear - imagine what he did to his own people. I don't know what to think about this although I'm glad that the author finally is telling his story...lets see if the network as a whole will do this now.

28 posted on 04/10/2003 9:33:06 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: Howlin
This is just the coward's way out. With Saddam gone, CNN should have been cheering on our troops, our president, and telling these stories every hour, on the the hour, for the last two weeks; at least. This story, appearing in the N.Y. Simes, means little and helps no one.
29 posted on 04/10/2003 9:33:15 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Howlin
When getting the story and staying in Baghdad comes BEFORE people's lives.....it's time to re-evaluate what's important. Too little too late for this coward......
30 posted on 04/10/2003 9:33:44 PM PDT by BossLady (Satan & Saddam sittin in a tree........K.I.S.S.I.N.G......)
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To: Howlin
I am waiting to see what happens when the embeds get back and they can tell the truth.

There will be many long magazine articles and even books written by the embeds. I am very much looking forward to it.

31 posted on 04/10/2003 9:33:46 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
I'm convinced the embeds could have been the most brillant stroke of this war; I believe they had the proverbial "attitude adjustment" toward the military and it's going to come out in their reporting.
32 posted on 04/10/2003 9:35:03 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Howlin
"I couldn't being to express what I'm feeling right now."

Ditto! CNN has the blood of innocent Iraqi's on their hands!! I am so furious I would SPIT on any CNN employee right now if I could.

Willing to let a cameraman be tortured just to get a story WHICH WAS NOT NEARLY AS IMPT AS THE STORY RIGHT UNDER THEIR NOSES!!! JUST DAMN!!
33 posted on 04/10/2003 9:35:18 PM PDT by whadizit
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To: Pokey78
Re: Post 13


34 posted on 04/10/2003 9:37:10 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: BossLady
"...comes BEFORE people's lives...."

I felt the same way about the reporters at the Palestine Hotel!! They had minders limiting what they could report so WHAT IN THE HELL GOOD WAS THAT??!!
35 posted on 04/10/2003 9:37:11 PM PDT by whadizit
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To: Pokey78; Jim Robinson
This article should be tatooed on the forhead of every liberal democrat and journalist in the United States - and in Germany and France - so that we can know what quisling hypocritical cowards these folks are. The truth! These weak imbeciles can't handle the truth. The truth is that they were weighed and measured and found wanting and there is not a fire in Hell hot enough to burn out that blight on the world.
36 posted on 04/10/2003 9:37:55 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Pokey78
Uday, told me in 1995 that he intended to assassinate two of his brothers-in-law who had defected and also the man giving them asylum, King Hussein of Jordan.

.......

A few months later Uday lured the brothers-in-law back to Baghdad; they were soon killed.

This jerk is complicit in a murder. I think these brothers-in-law were the ones who were talking about what Iraq was doing, and Uday, with CNN's prior knowledge, murdered them.

The First Amendment might give lots of protection for free speech. But it's not a license for murder.

I was discusted with CNN before. Now I'm beyond.

37 posted on 04/10/2003 9:38:59 PM PDT by narby (Whack that Wacky I-wracki)
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To: Pokey78
The writer seems to be saying that CNN was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Either report the truth and get coworkers tortured and killed, or ignore the truth and become a mouthpiece for Saddam Hussein. What about the other option? Admit that CNN couldn't operate freely in Iraq and pull out. By staying, CNN put more and more people under Saddam's thumb and became an Iraqi state-supported propaganda outlet.
38 posted on 04/10/2003 9:39:01 PM PDT by Toskrin
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To: Howlin
Howlin, I am not sure what to write in response to this..
39 posted on 04/10/2003 9:40:05 PM PDT by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
I wish I could believe they would engage in some soul-searching about this

What soul? Really, what?

40 posted on 04/10/2003 9:40:21 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Henk
I accuse CNN of being complicit in the torture of these people by cooperating with Iraqi authorities just so they could get a camera into Iraq.

How do you spell mea culpa?

41 posted on 04/10/2003 9:40:30 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: LiteKeeper
I thought my opinion of CNN couldn't get any worse. I simply cannot find the words to express my anger.
42 posted on 04/10/2003 9:40:42 PM PDT by pubmom (Evil thrives when good men do nothing.)
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To: Howlin
A sudden shift in coverage tonight? I guess CNN's polling results came in today.

It is one thing to keep secrets to protect lives. It is quite another to manipulate what stories are presented and how they are presented in order to delay and undercut attempts at liberating Iraq.

Perhaps this reporter is genuine. That just means that someone else at CNN decided to step into the shoes of Walter Duranty, to look the other way for the good of "The Movement".
43 posted on 04/10/2003 9:40:45 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Kevin Curry
"There will be many long magazine articles and even books written by the embeds. I am very much looking forward to it."

I wonder if the news organizations that sent these reporters to be embedded with the troops own the "rights" to these stories? Maybe the embeds had to sign an agreement saying that they weren't to publish any story without the editor's consent. Sort of like when you create a new product that becomes patented, but the company that employed you gets to keep the patent.

44 posted on 04/10/2003 9:40:51 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Howlin
"We also had to worry that our reporting might endanger Iraqis not on our payroll. I knew that CNN could not report that Saddam Hussein's eldest son, Uday, told me in 1995 that he intended to assassinate two of his brothers-in-law who had defected and also the man giving them asylum, King Hussein of Jordan. "

Why didn't he tell our govt about this?

45 posted on 04/10/2003 9:41:19 PM PDT by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
Great, great post. You summed it all up perfectly!
46 posted on 04/10/2003 9:42:13 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
No kidding. We're OUR people debriefing him, too?
47 posted on 04/10/2003 9:42:15 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: whadizit
Well, exactly....like any one of these journalists were gonna get the 'golden goose egg' of stories there with minders and the g'ment trailing them everywhere. Why bother! If they were there to see the city fall....well....that seems legit.

The CNN people though knew about this for years and just went happily along with the situation.....GRRRRRRRRRR.....

48 posted on 04/10/2003 9:42:38 PM PDT by BossLady (Satan & Saddam sittin in a tree........K.I.S.S.I.N.G......)
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To: CatOwner
I sure hope not. If they keep personal diaries, they should have the freedom to write what they're experiencing..On the other hand..maybe cnn does own their thoughts.
49 posted on 04/10/2003 9:42:43 PM PDT by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: gunnut
"I felt awful having these stories bottled up inside me."

gunnut, you said it. I feel like the Arab guy who said "no one believes Al Jazeera now". These media people should have been beating the drum for this war a long time ago.

what's with them. really, is a proper reception at a cocktail party on the Upper West Side worth all this?

"A man's reach must exceed his grasp/ Or what's a heaven for?" Robert Browning.

Great Post, original poster, if I hadn't checked the link myself I wouldn't have believed it to be true. Expecting to hear this dicussed tomorrow, which is today.

I love the 24 hour b*llsh*t dubbunking cycle!

50 posted on 04/10/2003 9:42:48 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I saw one reporter say flat out that he had to give THEIR side from Baghdad.

They should put that on the screen under their names!
51 posted on 04/10/2003 9:42:59 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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My e-mail to CNN's feedback (which will undoubtedly be skimmed and deleted by some slack-jawed intern, but it made me feel better to write it):

So, now we learn that your journalistic presence in Iraq had nothing to do with reporting the truth. Indeed, the very fact that you had people in Iraq *prevented* you from reporting the truth. You prostituted your journalistic integrity to Saddam Hussein. Your presence in Iraq cost the lives of God knows how many innocent Iraqis. All so you could say, "We have people in Iraq."

Were your bragging rights worth it?

52 posted on 04/10/2003 9:43:33 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: WarSlut
ping
53 posted on 04/10/2003 9:43:42 PM PDT by cgk (the Mrs. half)
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And now we know where all those breakdancin' parachute pants went to...
54 posted on 04/10/2003 9:44:07 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Howlin, I am not sure what to write in response to this..

That's exactly what I am feeling. It's like a whole lot of things need to fall into place before I can formulate what I think.

But I KNOW I am very, very upset about this.

55 posted on 04/10/2003 9:44:22 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Howlin
I am waiting to see what happens when the embeds get back and they can tell the truth.

I am so looking forward to this--I hope they all make it back OK to do this. Maybe (I hope I hope) it will be a renaissance of sorts, and shows the public how honorable our military guys are--and bring them back to the same public regard they had in WWII.

56 posted on 04/10/2003 9:45:50 PM PDT by lorrainer ("If you see SADDAM, you must BOMB!".....Jackie Chiles)
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To: AndyJackson
Keep writing, will you? You are putting my rage in words. I'm quite dumbfounded just now.
57 posted on 04/10/2003 9:46:08 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: jocon307
Expecting to hear this dicussed tomorrow, which is today.

Limbaugh and Hannity and other radio talkers will discuss it, but how many major news organizations didn't have people inside Iraq? Even Fox did. What if they're all compromised this way? Who will be the first to admit that they're amoral scum who are interested in neither truth nor honor, but only in revenue and celebrity?

58 posted on 04/10/2003 9:46:34 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: Kevin Curry
There will be many long magazine articles and even books written by the embeds. I am very much looking forward to it.

I heard that when one of the units with an embed came under heavy fire in N. Iraq, that the Marines started firing TOW missles in return, whooping and hollering like a bunch of fans at a NASCAR race! You gotta love these guys! May God bless each and every one of you!

59 posted on 04/10/2003 9:46:46 PM PDT by dirtbiker
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To: lorrainer
I feel the same way!
60 posted on 04/10/2003 9:47:11 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Howlin
I know what I'm feeling, and it ain't pretty.

L

61 posted on 04/10/2003 9:47:20 PM PDT by Lurker ("One man of reason and goodwill is worth more, actually and potentially, than a million fools" AR)
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To: Howlin
Thank you for the ping. This is unbelievable, and unconscionable.
62 posted on 04/10/2003 9:47:31 PM PDT by JennysCool
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To: Pokey78
Chief news executive at CNN writes this, and yet they still show disdain for our actions in Iraq in their reporting? Even after this??

Just today I watched CNN long enough to get an idea of how the "tilt" was going to be regarding this war. I honestly couldn't watch it for more than 20 mins.

The reporters are smug and seem almost gleeful when something bad happens to American forces. I can't explain it.. you have to see it.

But even more disturbing yet.. is reading a report like this.. knowing they knew what they did.. and yet they act like this President was wrong to go in. For humanitarian reasons alone, it would have been reason enough for war.

God Forgive these people for knowing what they knew.. and never getting it out. They could have leaked it to another network, at a later date.. something!! This is just insane. Anything for a dollar..

I can see a CIA agent going underground and witnessing these kinds of atrocities.. but I can't understand this. Especially since they DID NOT REPORT IT at the time!!

Perhaps I'm just "reacting" to what I just read, and I'm wrong. But man.. this makes me ill.
63 posted on 04/10/2003 9:48:05 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: CatOwner
Whatever the case, I hope that CNN has a severe case of the guilts right now because they were effectively allowing regime to continue unreported.

Never ever ever will that happen.

64 posted on 04/10/2003 9:48:15 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Howlin
I know exactly what you mean! He knew about a murder PRIOR to it happening. (actually 2 murders) He's admitting it to cleanse his soul. Would this hold up in a court of law? Hmmm?
65 posted on 04/10/2003 9:49:01 PM PDT by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
how many major news organizations didn't have people inside Iraq? Even Fox did. What if they're all compromised this way?

They ALL had minders. AP, Fox, Reuters MSNBC....the whole lot of them. I'm sure CNN wasn't the only network hearing/knowing these stories

66 posted on 04/10/2003 9:49:18 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: Lurker
I have always felt that they slanted the news, depending on their agenda, but THIS goes far beyond that.

His is justifying HIS action "to get the story".....and it's quite sickening.

We should all email this to everybody we know.

They are, in fact, COMPLICIT.
67 posted on 04/10/2003 9:49:36 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Toskrin
You got it exactly right. Somehow, liberals never seem to be able to see the moral path--they're always looking for scapegoats about their lack of moral convictions.
68 posted on 04/10/2003 9:49:40 PM PDT by MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
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To: JennysCool
Jenny, after all we've read, and all we know (more than the general public), how on EARTH can this surprise us?

I, frankly, am floored.
69 posted on 04/10/2003 9:50:57 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Maybe he did tell the American government?
70 posted on 04/10/2003 9:51:06 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
American journalism is a cesspool. - BUMP--I include others in this too.
71 posted on 04/10/2003 9:51:15 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Pokey78
Still, I felt I had a moral obligation to warn Jordan's monarch, and I did so the next day. King Hussein dismissed the threat as a madman's rant. A few months later Uday lured the brothers-in-law back to Baghdad; they were soon killed.

Why didn't he tell the brothers-in-law too ?? Am I missing something here? He had MONTHS to tell them that they were going to be assasinated by Uday - he can tell the King of Jordan, but not the others? WHY?

I think I read that one of these brothers-in-law was the ONLY reason we knew that Saddam had started up his WMD program again. He defected and told the story - the UN inspectors ended up with egg of their faces - again.

This is horrible what CNN did - just for the "story". What story was so important? More important that someone's life?
72 posted on 04/10/2003 9:51:36 PM PDT by baseballmom
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To: Howlin
"They are, in fact, COMPLICIT.

They sure are!

73 posted on 04/10/2003 9:51:37 PM PDT by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: Howlin
I don't understand why you are surprised, I'm not.

What this guy is doing is cleansing himself of his sins by passing them on to you. He will never lose one minute of sleep over this, nor has he in the past.

This sort of crap, is like the guy that having cheated on his wife succesfully, then tells her bacause he can't stand bearing the guilt of it all by himself.

You are suffering for his sin more than he is.
74 posted on 04/10/2003 9:51:57 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
Well said! Excellent email to CNN.
75 posted on 04/10/2003 9:52:06 PM PDT by MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
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To: Born in a Rage; Howlin
Hmm, he didn't admit or deny that did he. Good point!
76 posted on 04/10/2003 9:52:14 PM PDT by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: Toskrin
Admit that CNN couldn't operate freely in Iraq and pull out.

Ab-so-damn-lotely!

And why PAY these people in CASH on a DAILY BASISS so you can report their rubbish?

77 posted on 04/10/2003 9:52:17 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Born in a Rage
They ALL had minders. AP, Fox, Reuters MSNBC....the whole lot of them. I'm sure CNN wasn't the only network hearing/knowing these stories

Yeah. That's why I think Bill O'Reilly and John Gibson aren't going to be running with this story.

78 posted on 04/10/2003 9:54:35 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: texasbluebell
Yeah, I know. I guess we will just have to settle on CNN losing the ratings race with FoxNews as their punishment!
79 posted on 04/10/2003 9:54:44 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Maurice Tift
This fascist regime was worse than the Nazis, the KGB, and the IRS combined.

If you are combining all of those then your not even close. But I understand what you are trying to say.

80 posted on 04/10/2003 9:55:14 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Well, that scares me to death.

And we should pull the plug on ALL of them.
81 posted on 04/10/2003 9:55:32 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Pokey78
These stories are horrific, and should be told. However, I have a problem with the fact that they weren't told before. Am I alone in this, or does anyone else feel this should never have been kept quiet? I can't understand how any human being could go around with these secrets for so long while people were being tortured and killed by this evil regime.
82 posted on 04/10/2003 9:55:36 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Howlin
This is the biggest media story of this war. Period. CNN let people suffer in anonymity for the prestige of a bureau in Baghdad. They could not report facts, because those would get them tortured, like their camera man, or expelled.

Basically, all they could really do in Baghdad is report on what Saddam was saying. They gave up every bit of integrity they had (if they had any to begin with) in order to get their bureau there.

CNN is guilty of the worst crime imaginable by a news bureau.

Please folks, do not let this story just fade to the back pages. Anybody who knows any local or national talk show host, fax them this story. CNN has a very great deal to explain. I want to know every single damned story that they had of the depravity in Baghdad that they buried.

This list I guarantee you is less than 1% of what they knew. This mea culpa is a day late, a dollar short, and not acceptable.

The word "Outrage" is tossed around too frequently in our political climate. In this case, it absolutely fits the bill.

There need to be resignations, public apologies. 2 hour specials run constantly, updating people on CNN's behaviour, and what they plan to do to correct it. A weasle like apology in the NY Times after over a decade of letting people suffer in silence just does not cut it.

83 posted on 04/10/2003 9:55:37 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: Howlin
The writer seems to be saying that CNN was stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Liberalism has now flushed itself down the maelstrom of its nihilistic nothingness. There is no hard place on the soft mush of these folks' falsehoods and lies. It is just a squalid ooze that leaves the stench of death in your nostrils. If they were true to themselves and merely stood against the conservative position one could admire them - say like one admires Pat Moynihan. But they lie even to themselves, and the base of their own neat little fantasy land crumbles into dust - the dust of the tortured souls whose blood is on their heads.

84 posted on 04/10/2003 9:56:56 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Pokey78
Yeah, sure. Everybody who watched CNN during the past three weeks could tell how pro-liberation they were, right? To the author of this article: Tell it to Susan Sarandon and the Baldwins. Go shout it to the peace protesters.

CNN is really pro-America. They just have to hide it to protect their staff. They hide it really well.
85 posted on 04/10/2003 9:57:21 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: Pokey78
I just started reading replies to the thread after posting. My question has been answered, others do feel like I do. This should not have been kept secret!!!!!
86 posted on 04/10/2003 9:57:40 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: dogbyte12
Basically, all they could really do in Baghdad is report on what Saddam was saying.

They are one and the same with Baghdad Bob.

Only worse, because THEY paid THEM to let them report their garbage!

87 posted on 04/10/2003 9:57:52 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Howlin
I had to reread this awful piece-of-garbage article. It reminds me of "I was only following orders" excuses from the Nazis. It smells.
88 posted on 04/10/2003 9:59:03 PM PDT by lorrainer ("If you see SADDAM, you must BOMB!".....Jackie Chiles)
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To: jocon307
really, is a proper reception at a cocktail party on the Upper West Side worth all this?

Bump.

89 posted on 04/10/2003 9:59:38 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Fledermaus
We have inspected Terezenstadt,(sp?) while the Jews are obvioulsy not free, they are being treated well.

Approximate quote from Red Cross inspectors visitng Terezenstadt (Paradise ghetto) duriing WWII. Of courrse, nearly all of those interviewed by the inspectors died in Aushwitz(sp?) within a few weeks. Same kind of mentality: don't irritate the rulers, it may impact your own power/access/prestige. ARGH!!!
90 posted on 04/10/2003 9:59:46 PM PDT by nuke_road_warrior
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To: Howlin
CNN allowed Saddam Hussain to hold them hostage for 12 years. I'd like to wad this story up and stuff it in Judy Woodruffs' mouth.
91 posted on 04/10/2003 10:00:16 PM PDT by hobson
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To: Pokey78
For weeks he was beaten and subjected to electroshock torture in the basement of a secret police headquarters ...

Others disappeared and then surfaced later with whispered tales of being hauled off and tortured in unimaginable ways.

An aide to Uday once told me why he had no front teeth: henchmen had ripped them out with pliers ...

They beat her daily for two months, forcing her father to watch. In January 1991, on the eve of the American-led offensive, they smashed her skull and tore her body apart limb by limb. A plastic bag containing her body parts was left on the doorstep of her family's home.

None of this bothered CNN enough to lose a Bagdad bureau.

None of the above bothers these people. They are more worried about Bush:

92 posted on 04/10/2003 10:00:30 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Lucas1
Read this, please.
93 posted on 04/10/2003 10:00:37 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Howlin
I have to admit I don't know what to make of this article ..

Those at CNN KNEW what was going on in Iraq and FAILED to report on it .. instead they reported that Saddam was a warm fuzzy guy who wouldn't hurt anyone and made Bush look like an evil tyrant who wanted to control Iraq and killed women and children?

I don't think I can fully comment on the feelings I have at this moment .. I am too angry!
94 posted on 04/10/2003 10:00:56 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: Pokey78
...And they laugh at us for being so idealistic. ...Call us "simpletons" and naive.

HA! At least we can sleep at night.
95 posted on 04/10/2003 10:01:05 PM PDT by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: Howlin
I hardly know what to make of this; I couldn't begin to express what I'm feeling right now.

Staggering, sickening, revulsion? I don't get it. This, NOW, on the tails of their usual anti-Bush, how-many-civilians-are-we-killing, anti war spin? Are we supposed to sympathize with them? Just what are they looking for with this piece? It's almost like a pathetically late and insincere effort to align themselves with the 80 some percent of Americans who know Bush did the right thing. The saddest part is, they knew all along, too, that it was the absolute right thing to do. I am at a loss for words in describing what i think of cnn.

96 posted on 04/10/2003 10:01:20 PM PDT by 1 spark
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts
Ping.
97 posted on 04/10/2003 10:01:21 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Æ)
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To: Admin Moderator
Please make an exception and make this breaking news.

It is over a decade in the making, but this news must get out to the widest audience possible.

98 posted on 04/10/2003 10:01:36 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: hobson
Well, that was my very first reply? Did she know all this and still hold forth every single day with that snotty look on her face every single time she mentioned George Bush's name?

Sorry, I'm all out of descriptive adjectives.
99 posted on 04/10/2003 10:01:50 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: dogbyte12; Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson
I second that.

This needs to be read and emailed to everybody we know by every single person on this forum.
100 posted on 04/10/2003 10:02:46 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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